Hids' Haunted Campus & Jess' Mental Bake-Down. Oh, Did You Know We Hate Gen AI?

Wild Magic Surge!!!

Two wild magic episodes in a row! Well, that's where our ADHD has taken us yet again. We can't help it! Hids gives us a quick history lesson on the Rocky Mountain College of Art & Design. Why? Well, because they are officially enrolled as a student there!!! (Also there are ghosts maybe probably.)
Jess is talking about bread. Why? Why the heck not? Bread is awesome! Not just any bread, but shokupan, also known as Japanese Milk Bread.

We also have an anti-Gen AI rant and some other random tangents and loads of warm embers!

Jess' Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_milk_bread

https://web-japan.org/trends/11_food/jfd202109_shokupan.html

https://japanesetaste.com/blogs/japanese-taste-blog/shokupan-the-iconic-japanese-milk-bread

Hids' Sources:

https://historygoesbump.libsyn.com/webpage/ep-249-rocky-mountain-school-of-art-and-design

rmcad.edu

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Oh no, let me try it one more time.

SPEAKER_07 0:42

Uh pretty much since I said I was checking my jump mail. Cool, cool, cool. Yeah. Welcome to I don't even know what episode this is.

SPEAKER_04 0:53

What podcast is this? This is Hang on.

SPEAKER_07 0:59

Jess and Hids make a podcast. This is episode 22 of season two. Total episode 73. Jess and Hids make a podcast.

SPEAKER_06 1:13

Yay! And that is the extent of my energy.

SPEAKER_07 1:18

I am Jess. I'm Hids. I hope you have more energy because we're only like a minute 30 in.

SPEAKER_06 1:25

Okay, hang on. I'm gonna get some tea. Okay. I'll wait. Nope. You're supposed to talk during that part. Um hi, I'm back. Hi. My tea is good. It's uh it's tea we got at H Mart down in the Phoenix or Mesa, wherever that place is. Cool. It's peach.

SPEAKER_07 1:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:53

It's good. Sweet.

SPEAKER_07 1:56

It's fascinating.

SPEAKER_06 2:00

Uh I'll just stop talking and you'll have to talk now. Um go. No.

SPEAKER_04 2:06

So how are things? Well I the good. Okay. How how are things with you? Good? You're the one with big news. Oh my gosh. Oh, do I have been oh I do have been you know what? I completely forgot that.

SPEAKER_06 2:38

Well, we talked about it on on a tale of two kobolds, and therefore it's old news now. Yeah. Uh okay. I have big news. I am enrolled in classes at the Rocky Mountain College of Art and Design.

SPEAKER_03 2:59

Yay!

SPEAKER_06 3:02

Which is kind of terrifying.

SPEAKER_07 3:03

So instead of doing the original plan of pharmacy tech at this local community college here, uh it's gonna be a bachelor's of fine arts.

SPEAKER_03 3:15

You know, go big or go home, I guess.

SPEAKER_06 3:18

Like, I mean, art has always been like a the a passion of mine, like just since I was a kid. I love to draw, I love to do, you know, create anything. Um, and it kind of got away from it. And this summer, well, in the past like year, I've been getting back to it doing the art lives on our Discord and just kind of sketching things and playing around with stuff. And then this summer we took some classes at the community college here, and I'm like, man, I'm just loving this. Just it was they were all online classes, but I loved like, hey, here is a thing, here's why you're doing it, go do it, turn it in on X day. And um, I really enjoyed that. I remember it differently.

SPEAKER_07 4:05

I mean, there were some things like deadlines.

SPEAKER_06 4:07

I no, I didn't so no, I get it though. You forget, I've been to art school. Yeah, the the structure of it was good, like making me create the thing that I took three art classes and all three had similar assignments, so some of them began to feel repetitive to me. So that was frustrating. But that's my own fault to take all three classes in one semester. So it was fun. But anyway, I mean you didn't know they were gonna be similar. No, I didn't, yeah, but it was fun. Um the then you were like, hey, this school showed up, and I was like, well, let me go look. And then I asked for information, and then I made a phone call, and then suddenly I'm signed up enrolled. It yeah, it all happened like in the last 10 days, I feel like. Not even it's not even been two weeks fully. Well, no, because then we would have talked about it on the last episode.

SPEAKER_04 5:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 5:11

But it's just happened really quickly, and but also like it's good. I feel good about it. Cool. So that's me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 5:21

Yay. I'm just still doing the original plan of massage therapy. It's probably smart. Yeah. That starts on the 25th of this month. Yay! I start on the 31st.

SPEAKER_05 5:37

Yay! It's gonna be cool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 5:42

Hmm. What else has been happening here? I don't even know. Cake's gonna be 13 years old. Saturday. On Saturday.

SPEAKER_06 5:53

We're gonna spoil her. Yes, we are. Um, and make her a cake. And we're gonna we're gonna get her in the car and go down to the creek. Normally we walk to the creek, but it's a bit of a hike and she's moving a little slower.

SPEAKER_07 6:07

So yeah, she hasn't been able to uh do that kind of exercise for a bit.

SPEAKER_06 6:12

So we she loves water though, so we're gonna take her down and let her let her play for a little bit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 6:18

And uh let her wear herself out and then she'll sleep for the rest of the day. Yeah, probably a couple days after that.

SPEAKER_06 6:24

Poor little thing, but she'll be happy and we'll probably get her a little pup cup.

SPEAKER_07 6:29

Yeah. So, you know, send Kake happy birthday wishes on Saturday. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 6:38

She'll be 13.

SPEAKER_07 6:40

Yeah. Or just whenever you hear this episode. Yeah. Years down the road when people discover our podcast. Aww. I wonder how Kate's doing. Well. Well, she was 13 when the episode aired. You do the you figure it out. Yeah. Um.

SPEAKER_05 7:01

Not gonna get emotional.

SPEAKER_07 7:02

I know. It's it's sad, but that is that's a it's a reality. It's a reality of owning pets. Yeah. It's okay.

SPEAKER_04 7:11

It's all good. Is she over there by you? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 7:14

There she my grandma always used to say that cakes just know nothing but love. And it's true. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 7:20

Which is wonderful.

SPEAKER_07 7:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 7:22

She's such a sweet dog.

SPEAKER_07 7:24

Never known anything but love.

SPEAKER_06 7:27

She's always been with me. I know. From the day literally she was born. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 7:33

Well, she was she was with her mom for the appropriate amount of time. But but I was there when she was born.

SPEAKER_06 7:42

Just like, my puppy, he's taking it right now. What? Oh man. Um, I don't have. I don't have anything else, like anything new. I'm trying to try to think what. Do you feel that?

SPEAKER_01 7:59

You feel something? Is it the ghost?

SPEAKER_07 8:04

It's a it's a wild magic surge.

SPEAKER_06 8:07

Oh. Yeah. Did you have one too? Because I definitely had one.

SPEAKER_07 8:12

Yeah, it's very small, and I decided it like five minutes before we started recording. Soft.

SPEAKER_06 8:19

I also did a bit of a wild magic surge relative to life. Um yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 8:28

So like uh part of my plan today, because I only worked a half day at work, was to buckle down and do my podcast research, but it was just a bad brain day for me. So I was like, heads got home from work and I was like, Well, I got nothing.

SPEAKER_06 8:46

Like I got a couple paragraphs.

SPEAKER_07 8:48

I got really short, little bit of short stuff, but hey, that's cool. So, like two wild magic surge episodes in a row.

SPEAKER_04 8:58

Yeah. Well, I you know, it's okay.

SPEAKER_06 9:01

They're still gonna be fun. They're gonna be fun. And I think we're, I mean, it's it's well known that we are ADHD, and uh, we probably have a lot of ADHD listeners. We've been told that our podcast is ADHD friendly. So yeah, sometimes you just have one thing that you should be looking at, and then 10 other things, and one of those jumps out, and you just do that instead. You can't focus on the thing that you're supposed to be focusing on. Yeah. So focus on something, whatever you can focus on and run with it.

SPEAKER_03 9:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 9:32

And have some fun. So that's what we're gonna do. So you should go first. Do you want me to go first? Yeah. I'm just gonna talk about my school.

SPEAKER_07 9:46

Also, did you guys notice the way that HIDS did not argue at all when I said you should go first? Well, that's extremely out of character.

SPEAKER_06 10:00

I figured you were just gonna have me go first. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. And it's okay, because like the the headspace, the headspace in the house in general for the past week has been kind of all over. It's fine. Yeah. Um I appreciate. Yeah. I appreciate it. So so I don't mind. I don't mind. I don't mind. Um Okay, tell us about your stuff. So I had like three wild magic surges and I picked like several different topics, and one I picked I'm actually gonna come back to, but it is going to be I it's it's an in-depth emotional um topic, and I wanna like give it give it the the the right.

SPEAKER_07 10:42

Well now I'm curious. Isn't it like a normal a normal podcast topic?

SPEAKER_06 10:46

It's a um no, it's one that popped in my head. It's uh yeah, and I don't I'm not gonna go too deep into it. It'll come in the future when the when it's right for me to to get there and do it. Okay. Um, but yeah, it's just one I'll I'll keep on my pocket. It's not on the podcast list, so you won't you won't pick it up. Okay. Um it would fit in like our uh badass women category. Oh so sweet. Yeah. Anyway, um, so I just did a little because you know, always after you commit to something, you should do research on the thing that you committed to. Yeah. Oh, wait, no, you're supposed to do that before before you commit. Crap. I messed up. But it's okay. Um, so I did I looked in. So when I was in the uh conversation with the admissions rep and everything, we were talking, and and they were like, hey, this used to be a TB hospital. And I was like, well, how haunted is it? The campus. The campus of Rocky Mountain College of Design. Really haunted. Um she didn't go into a lot of detail, she's but she's like, there are a lot of people who say, you know, um, because not the it's not the whole all the buildings. There are several buildings that originally were part of a TB hospital, tuberculosis hospital. So I know the answer to this. Yes.

SPEAKER_07 12:13

Where is this college located?

SPEAKER_06 12:15

Uh it is located in Denver, Colorado. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_07 12:19

You can't say it. Just say it how colorfully say it. It's Colorado.

SPEAKER_06 12:23

Jess already gives me grief. Grief, because I say Colorado.

SPEAKER_05 12:27

You say Colorado. I do say Colorado. It's Colorado.

SPEAKER_06 12:30

I will also say that like four in-between. Except for the people that actually live in Colorado. Four of the people that I talked to, three of them were from that lived in Denver and work at the school, and two of them said Colorado. And two of them said Colorado. So you know what? I'm just gonna go with what comes out of my mouth. Okay. And it's Colorado and Nevada. No. Uh anyway.

SPEAKER_07 13:03

Colorado and Nevada. It's not Colorado and Nevada. Stop being mean to me. Okay, so this college campus is Denver.

SPEAKER_06 13:17

It is in uh, yes, it's actually in Lakewood. Um and which is like across the river from Denver proper. Um so this hospital actually opened in um the in 1904, and it was opened opened. Opened. I peak, I speak good, it's great.

SPEAKER_07 13:42

Um Colorado.

SPEAKER_06 13:44

Colorado opened, opened it a college. Oh no, it didn't. It was the hospital.

unknown 13:49

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_06 13:53

Oh man, hi, let's start over. Um, so this hospital opened in 1904, and it was opened by the Jewish Consumptive Relief Society, and it treated patients suffering from too tuberculosis. And um, excuse me. It treated them free of charge. If you were sick, you you got in. You weren't turned away because you couldn't pay, you weren't turned away because you were only slightly infected or in the final stages. Well, you were brought in and you were given um whatever treatment that you needed that would be helpful.

SPEAKER_07 14:31

Isn't that very like proactive for 1904?

SPEAKER_06 14:33

It's incredibly proactive for 1904. Um one of the big things about this uh the Jewish Consumptive Relief Society. I'm just gonna call it JCRS from now on. Okay. Um, so there was a large influx of Jews into this area in the 1880s. Um, a lot of them came from Russia and Eastern Europe because this was a place for opportunities and the weather is really great here. So they came through New York and then like TB starts setting in and like the southwest and so Fifle went west, yeah. Five will goes west, right? You know the tr you know the story. Um, but Colorado and Arizona were like big places where people went because the air and quality of you know, weather, not freezing cold in New York and rainy and all of that. Um, so a lot of people came to this area and kind of started this um settled in Lakewood and Colfax area in in Colorado and opened this thing. One of so, like when you hear about like TB, old TB hospitals, you know, there was a huge lack of record keeping. Like a lot of people like they have no idea because just so many people were coming in and out. So I learned a word, um, and I'm not gonna I'm gonna say it like it looks, because I don't uh speak Jewish Yiddish. Um it's landmanshaft, and I know that's not how it's actually said, um, but it's let's see if I can spell it. Um L-A-N-D-S-M-A-N-N-S-C-H-A-F-T. And what this is is like it's a kind of um community of people. So like these Jewish people from Eastern Europe, Germany, Russia would come over into New York and they would kind of have this like, hey, everybody, let's stick together. We have this little um like a fraternity type thing, and they keep track of you. And if you could, you would often kind of pay in little dues, and then like if the husband died or was hurt in an accident or whatever, they would that group would kind of take care of his family and make sure, you know, or pay out the dues back to his wife or whatever if he died or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 17:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 17:11

So when these Jews moved to Colorado, they kind of brought that with them. So there were actually a lot of records kept because of this repayment and this like kind of like a fraternity type thing. Yeah. Which I thought was really interesting. It was not a thing I knew about. Yeah. So I was like, oh, that's cool. So they actually have like a lot of records um of the people who were at these at this hospital, which I thought was really, really interesting. Yeah. Um, so it stayed uh a TB hospital until I have to find my notes because I popped over to somewhere else.

SPEAKER_07 17:49

So uh when tuberculosis was running rampant, uh the the cure, I guess, or the the treatment would be fresh air, right? So it would totally make sense that you know the wide open, you know, Colorado landscape would be ideal for for TB patients.

SPEAKER_06 18:10

Yeah. And they they had like um even though like Denver area that is very high elevation, they had mild winters and mild seasons. So they could be outside longer portions even in the winter.

SPEAKER_07 18:24

Okay, because yeah, I have heard of other TB hospitals in colder climates that would just it doesn't matter the weather. Just go outside or like open these windows and set patients in front of it. You have to stay here because the fresh air is good for you. Even though you're gonna die of exposure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 18:42

Yeah, it was crazy. Um sorry, I'm trying to find I've moved my I've lost my place in my notes. Okay. Um, so this stayed uh the hospital stayed as a TB hospital until like the mid-50s when um 1954 I found it. TB was, you know, we had antibiotics, we had treatments. It's not really the the plague that it was at the time.

SPEAKER_03 19:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 19:12

Um they switched their in the 50s, they switched to the American Medical Center. They kind of changed their mission to cancer research. And they have been the American Medical Center since, but they're not no longer located in the same location, in the same buildings. Um that was in 1963, Philip J. Steele, who was an artist and a teacher, um, founded the Rocky Mountain College of Art and Design or REMCAD. And it relocated several times um as they as it grew. And in 2003, they moved to the 23-acre campus in Lakewood, and they used several of the buildings from the sanatorium that were still standing there. That's crazy. Um, there is also the one of the first Jewish synagogues that was built in Colorado is on on the campus. Oh, wow. It's still there, which I think is like really cool. That is cool. Talk about some history. Yeah. Um, but yeah, so like there were the one podcast that I listened to, um, History Goes Bump.

SPEAKER_07 20:20

I was kind of like, this this place is hella haunted.

SPEAKER_06 20:23

Yeah, I was like, but they like ever like they had one of the students that had sent in, they're like, hey, talk about this because you talk about, you know, talk about history and stuff. And um she was just like, Yeah, I've been in rooms and heard footsteps, and I know other like there was no like definitive like ghosts or spirits like you normally hear about, like the lady in white or whatever. You always you always hear like always. Um, but there were like no, she didn't give any like ex concrete like examples of everybody sees like this one person or whatever. Um, but there was a story of a nun, um, not a nun, nurse. My brain just went brp. Uh, a nurse who a patient fell in love with, and like he like kind of it sounded a little stalkery, but then he got better and he left, and then he came back to like, hey, I'm better. And she was like, dude, I really don't like you. And um, that ended poorly for him. And so there are like um stories of of him kind of walking and maybe oh, like a re repeat of his death. Oh. Um, but I I looked and looked to find like give me some more, but it's all just kind of like students say this and students say that, and visitors say this. So there is a um ghost tour that occasionally goes through the campus. Oh, that's cool. So we'll see what the future brings. If we ever make it up to to the Denver area. Which we will. Which we will. Yeah. We'll see how much time we have. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 22:09

We have a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a I don't know if we'll have time to go uh tour the campus. No, I don't think so. It's just literally one day in Denver.

SPEAKER_06 22:17

But we we'll drive past and wave and be like, ha look, ghosts. But yeah, I think it'll be fun. Um I'm I'm excited. And I had hoped to find like some really good ghosty stories from this, but it it is really just all came down to like the usual like usual suspects. You hear bumps and bumps and footsteps. That seemed to be footsteps seemed to be the the number one thing that people hear. It's just people walking.

SPEAKER_07 22:45

Um the college that my dad works at now. He also used to work there. Uh he was there for like forever. Like he he worked there when he was in college and worked there until oh five when I graduated from high school and started going to that college. So like And now he's back there. And now he's back there. Yeah. Um But footsteps would be a very common uh occurrence at he's a he's a theater technician, he's the director, the technical director of the auditorium on campus. And he tells stories about like how like at the end of a long day, he used to just like once all the lights and stuff were out, and he like after he had locked up and everything, um, he would just kind of like sit on the stage and just take a moment to breathe. And he would hear footsteps walking across the stage. Complete darkness. Oh, yeah. Wait, you're supposed to leave a light on. That's you know, theater superstitions are ridiculous. Can I just I've worked in a theater before? There is no reason for these superstitions, it's insane. But yeah, they do call it a ghost light, and you're supposed to leave it on for the ghosts. Yeah. And like there were emergency lights like on the catwalks and stuff. And so like it wasn't I guess it wasn't pitch black darkness, but it was dark enough to be spooky, yeah, which is easy to do in that building. Yeah, yeah. Like I grew up like going there after school and is that the one that you did we go there?

SPEAKER_06 24:18

Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 24:18

Yeah, the big big I mean we you saw the smaller one too that I worked at.

SPEAKER_06 24:24

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 24:24

Yeah, but we did go to the bigger one.

SPEAKER_06 24:27

No. You weren't there. Okay, so we I just went to the small one. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 24:33

Anyway, the small ones.

SPEAKER_06 24:34

We just for context, that was only well in the 90s. We drove down uh a couple years ago to Thatcher and Eastern uh what is it? Eastern Arizona College. Thank you. Good old EAC. Um I just heard the Eastern Australian current. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:52

The EAC.

SPEAKER_06 24:54

Um But yeah, I we had driven down there and spent a day just kind of exploring. Yeah. I had never been there before. So that was that was fun. We should one day do that again. I know. I want to go see the ice cave. I think it all melts. I've never been there either. Maybe all melted by now.

SPEAKER_07 25:11

Yeah, who knows?

SPEAKER_06 25:13

Uh but yeah, so that was just a little a little fun information about the college campus that I'm going. I'm going to be attending uh via online classes. I cannot afford to go.

SPEAKER_07 25:25

I mean, if the news was, hey, we're moving to Colorado, or at least HIDS is, then I'd be like, well, can't live here anymore. I have to go live with my parents now.

SPEAKER_03 25:34

Sorry, AJ.

SPEAKER_06 25:36

Scooch over. Scooch over Kuba. Jess moving in. Um no, I yeah, no. Oh gosh. That would be fun, but no. We are poor. Also, there would be like a lot of people. I just yeah. Yep. I think it would be fun, but um, I'm good doing it at home and uh focusing. I think I would get distracted. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 26:06

Who knows? I it's easier to get distracted with online classes because you're amongst your things.

unknown 26:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 26:14

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 26:15

I do I think I'm used to like I worked online for so years for so long that I'm kind of used to like.

SPEAKER_07 26:20

Yeah, how often did you get distracted?

SPEAKER_06 26:26

Well, let's not go there. I mean, like I my job was on Facebook, it was very easy to get distracted. Yeah. Uh but I was good at my job. Yes. It involved being distracted. Anyway, let's not go there. Um, so yeah, I I don't have much else. Unless if I do find something later in the future, I'll come back with it. Sweet. But I just thought it was a cool history of uh the campus. And yeah. Sweet. There's definitely ghosts. Yes. What do you what did your uh let's shift over to you.

SPEAKER_07 27:04

Mine, I have absolutely zero notes on mine. Sweet. So I'm gonna be navigating between um like three different tabs and also periodically checking back on Audacity to make sure we're still recording because I'm paranoid about that.

SPEAKER_04 27:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 27:19

Uh but it ties in to my warm ember. Oh, okay. Which I'm gonna spoil it right now. I just made a really good loaf of bread.

SPEAKER_06 27:35

It I can confirm that that is a very good loaf of bread.

SPEAKER_07 27:40

So yeah, that that's my warm ember, that's my warm loaf of bread. Um, but this particular loaf of bread is what I'm going to talk about. Um Okay.

SPEAKER_06 27:50

Yeah. I will never I like talking about it.

SPEAKER_07 27:52

I guess not this specific loaf because it's over in the kitchen and like there's really not much to say about that, but just like the type of bread it is. It's good and it's perfectly square and it makes me so happy. So I made a loaf of Japanese milkbread. So good. Also called shokupan, also called Hokkaido milk bread, or simply milkbread. It's um it's like a soft white bread. It's sold in Asian bakeries, uh particularly Japanese ones. Uh bread is not a traditional Japanese food.

SPEAKER_06 28:32

You know, I that does not surprise me. I don't think bread when I think of Japanese food.

SPEAKER_07 28:39

Yeah, Japanese cuisine. Yeah. Not often do you think about bread or bready things. Yeah. Um bread first way made its way into Japan in 1543, uh, supposedly brought over by the Portuguese who introduced uh like grains and things other than rice, pretty much, uh flour to make bread. Um they also introduced guns to Japan, apparently. Uh so like bread has existed in Japanese cuisine for a little bit, but it wasn't really common in your typical Japanese household until the aftermath of World War II. Oh wow. So Japan was suffering from rice shortages all over the island. Um, and part of uh aid from other countries would be sacks of flour, of grain, things like that. So bread became more common in Japan because the Japanese government was like, okay, let's go easy on the rice, and here let's use all of this stuff that, you know that's coming in. Yeah, the surplus that's coming in from other countries.

SPEAKER_06 29:55

Um so uh that was that's a very interesting like I mean, like obviously war shifts cultures a lot, quite a bit. And that was a huge one. It's a big one, big like for me.

SPEAKER_07 30:14

Every time I think about just bread in general, I think that it's I mean, it's it's ancient, it's been being made forever. I talked about it in the very first wild magic episode that we had, the history of baking.

SPEAKER_04 30:31

I did, yes.

SPEAKER_07 30:32

But I I specifically said in that episode that I didn't really cover anything from like eastern cultures. That was all like a very westernized history of baking.

SPEAKER_06 30:44

Right, right.

SPEAKER_07 30:45

And so it's interesting to think that like Asian cultures, Eastern cultures didn't really do bread. Well, I'm not gonna say all Eastern cultures because I know like every culture has their, you know, bread varieties. But like, yeah, as as early or as m recent as World War II, it wasn't like a staple. And I I just think of bread as being a staple, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 31:11

Like everybody has bread, yeah. Yeah. All throughout history. Yeah, like I mean, it's just so wild. But yeah, it makes sense if you're not growing the flower wheat growing, you're gonna find something else. Yeah. So like um speaking just random, that that tasting history, I think. Or it might have been another uh historical food thing to do. Like tasting history, yeah. Um they were talking about they found uh I can't remember where it is, but it's where there's like Neanderthal remains and all of that kind of it's like the number one spot where they dig those archaeological things. They found um food. And they found like obviously they were eating Ibex as their meat. Yeah. And but they found basically what's a veggie burger. Like they found a veggie burger. What? And it was like Was somebody like allergic to meat? No, they were saying that it was probably like just kind of something that was put with it.

SPEAKER_07 32:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 32:22

And so they they broke they found the the different grains and beans that it was made of, and they actually like made it the same way, and and the guy was like, it wasn't good because it was literally just you they broke down, like they broke down the husk of the seeds and mashed it together and basically just kind of patted it together. Um, one thing, like, they did all this from chemical analysis of what was in there, yeah. And he said, like, there's no oil, there's nothing, there's no flavor to it. And I was like, it would be interesting, like, if they're cooking it with on the same fire that they're cooking the um the ibex, they would yeah, that animal fat would the animal fat. Like, and like I know like wild animals are very lean, so there's not a lot of fat, but yeah, I feel like you would have something there for that. But but yeah, the the person I I don't remember which I'm gonna try to find.

SPEAKER_07 33:24

It's the the tasting history guy Matthew, somebody. Oh no, I'm forgetting his name. I follow him on Patreon. Yeah. And then there's the the Kickstarter. I backed it to the book. The Kickstarter. Did you back it up? Was it like the book? Oh no, no, I didn't back it. I have not. We need to. I want to, I want to, I don't think it's launched yet, but it's like Table of the Gods.

SPEAKER_06 33:44

Yes, and it has cuneiform on the book. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 33:47

I just saw their post about how they're doing that. Yeah, I started following that guy, and by following, I got three recipes in my inbox that I want to try. But yeah, I've been I've been seeing his videos.

SPEAKER_06 33:59

I think it was his video. I think it was his post um that they found that he talks about like they made this and they're like, it's not great. But also, I mean it's a veggie burger, so sorry, vegetarians. Veggie burgers aren't great. They're still not great.

SPEAKER_07 34:13

They're still not great. How many years? Uh but yeah, the table of the gods guy is doing like ancient Mesopotamian recipes, which is really cool. I um we're gonna we need to back that. Yeah, I want to back that, but yeah, it depends on how fun flows when the Kickstarter actually launched launches, which I think is coming up soon. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 34:34

Anyway, um, so let's go back to your beautiful this is a perfectly square, like on all sides, it's flat on all four sides. It's so good.

SPEAKER_07 34:44

I'm gonna talk about how it's made. And a lot of this is gonna come just from my memory from having making making it from having made it the other day. Um oh wait, do I have more of history? I'm sorry. Like I said, I'm I'll go get a slice after this. Yeah. Oh, how did this particular loaf come to be? So, like uh shokupan is considered artisan bread in Japan. And the the flavor profile is different than any other white bread. It's not as sweet as um like a brioche, but it's sweeter than typical white bread. Yeah. So and uh it it does use milk. And uh oh gosh.

SPEAKER_06 35:53

This is what happens when we this is what happens when I don't actually do notes. Um or like me, I had notes and then went somewhere else and looked at other stuff and got lost in my notes.

SPEAKER_07 36:06

Yeah. Uh okay, I think I might be done with this tab. Oh man, I apologize. Um, history. Okay, yeah, I talked about the rice shortages. So this this style of bread didn't even become popular um well, outside of Asia until 2020s. So super recent.

SPEAKER_06 36:31

Oh, 2020, when everybody was making every kind of bread possible because we had nothing else to do. Yeah. Um that's about that's about that makes sense. Yeah. That's when bread was like, everybody's like, and I'm gonna make bread.

SPEAKER_07 36:50

So starting from around the time of the Tokyo Olympics in 1964, Japanese diets have continued to become more westernized. And then uh like since 2011, Japanese households have been consuming more bread than rice. Huh. Yeah. So it just kind of like it started after World War II and just kind of grew from there. And now this style of bread is like now seen in in Western cultures or whatever, because of 2020 when everybody was like, what kind of bread can I make? Oh, just a white loaf. Let me let me see what else is out there.

SPEAKER_06 37:31

Yeah. I'm bored with sourdough.

SPEAKER_01 37:33

Yeah. Okay, so all right. Um sourdough.

SPEAKER_07 37:48

In 2013, a bakery in Tokyo's upmarket Ginsa shopping district had customers lining up around the block to buy their shoku pan. And I believe uh this is kind of what started the the craze in Japan. And uh oh gosh. Going back to Wikipedia. Okay. So yeah, so what's special about this bread? The dough is enriched by creating um a Udain, which is a type of roux. So the Udain, uh also called Tongzhang, T-A-N-G-Z-H-O-N-G. It's a roux made from flour and milk. And before you even start baking the bread, you heat up the flour and milk and stir constantly until it forms like a paste, and you let that cool, and then you add that to your bread mix after you add like it's also enriched with like butter and eggs, which adds to the the richness and the texture and the flavor profile. This is a really good loaf of bread. It really is good. So, but I I thought that was interesting about the the U Dane. It's um it's used not only to improve the texture and the flavor of bread, but it also increases the bread's shelf life. Oh. It takes longer for breads to go stale, which I think is fascinating.

SPEAKER_06 39:32

It is fascinating. Also, don't put your bread in the refrigerator. Yeah. I just have to throw that in there.

SPEAKER_07 39:37

Never ever. Um, so typically when you make this bread, uh, it starts out much like any bread recipe. You mix all the stuff, you let it rise, you punch down the dough, and there's gonna be a second rise in there somewhere. But before you do that, for this bread, you divide it out into three separate sections, sometimes four, and you turn like you you roll out each dough ball and into like a rectangle. And then you do like a little envelope fold on the rectangle and then roll it up into a bun and put that in the pan. And then you just line up those little buns in the pan. And so they like when they bake, you bake it all together and they like meld together or whatever, but it has a very distinctive shape, and you can see the little swirls lining the outside of the when you take it out of the oven. It's cool. Another unique thing about this bread is it's baked in a pan with a lid. So when you put it in for the the second rise, you look for when the the you want the dough to be pretty much almost at the rim. And then when you bake it, you slide the lid on, you bake it, and it just fills all the space in it, which makes it perfectly square. And that's really cool.

SPEAKER_06 41:00

It's seriously, like when you pulled that out the other the other day, I went in the kitchen and I was like, what is this? What is what is this fascinating little rectangle of with swirls on the sides? Like it was this really cool. Yeah. I just I was like, this is so cool. And then you were like, This is this kind of bread. I'm like, ah, yeah. I love that you bake bread, by the way, because I enjoy baking bread. Bread bread, I enjoy eating bread. Good. It makes me very happy. So thank you.

SPEAKER_07 41:37

Sweet. Anyway, that's that's pretty much all I have. I'm like uh I'm getting anxiety about income. And that's why I've been like baking more because I'm like, is there something that I can get good enough to bake it to sell like locally around here? Because in Arizona, cottage laws are just like put the ingredients on, say it's made in a home kitchen and you're good to go. Um, because I know like regulations differ by state. Yeah. And yeah, I I've kind of been fascinated by this type of bread for a bit. Like I've had the recipe printed out for a while and just barely decided to try it when we had an unexpected day off of work. Yeah. Uh on Monday.

SPEAKER_06 42:29

Yeah. Um, I am here for this, and I'm I'm here for you trying new breads to make. So I'm not here for the anxiety. I also have the anxieties. Yeah. So that's fine. So if you'd like to support us.

SPEAKER_07 42:46

Yeah, become an executive producer of our podcast. I'd love that. You could find us on Patreon, Patreon.com slash Jess and Higgs.

SPEAKER_06 42:55

Yeah, and uh support us. Yeah. And we would love that. Um I had a thought that went in my head and then I lost it. Um, it was probably about Patreon though.

SPEAKER_07 43:09

Yeah. I do like maybe one of one of these days I should do a Patreon live where I actually make the bread. It's gonna be like in stages because the rising and the cooling, like I'm not gonna be on live the whole time.

SPEAKER_06 43:20

The whole time. We're just sitting here waiting for to rock.

SPEAKER_07 43:23

Yeah, we have to wait for our bread to rise. And since it's cold, it's gonna take forever.

SPEAKER_06 43:30

That that I well, I mean, that could be fun. I think like some of the things I think of, so I'm gonna go, okay, tangent, enter tangent because um this is a convoluted tangent. We see so much content where it's like eggs, bam, bread, bam, bam, bam, perfect. In in a 45 second reel, we've gone from dry ingredients to a loaf of bread. Yeah, and then we want to. Do that at home.

SPEAKER_05 44:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 44:01

And then we're like, oh my gosh, I have to wait eight hours for this to rise. What? What is happening? No. And I think like it you have to use your critical thinking to go, they're showing me this quickly because to film eight hours, and I I know bread takes less than eight hours to rise, but what's critical thinking?

SPEAKER_07 44:22

What do you mean? I don't know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_06 44:25

You know what? Maybe that'll be my next podcast topic. Uh yeah. You don't have to answer that. That was a joke. I know. Um, but it's it's necessary for life. Yeah. Um, critical thinking is important. But you know, I think we're caught up in the social media of and like it's with art, and this is where my tangent is going.

SPEAKER_07 44:49

We're reducing life into 30-second clips. And I recently watched another clip about this in reference to literature and things. Like people aren't, they don't like long books anymore. People want to be immediately entertained. It's all about instant gratification. And yeah. So I wonder if we could trick people by making 30-second clips of making bread and just release them one day at a time. And uh yeah.

SPEAKER_06 45:25

Hey, do it, make it happen. Make it happen. Day one, you know, or hour one is this 30 seconds or 30 seconds one.

SPEAKER_07 45:34

Oh, you are literally but 30 seconds at a time, or like however long reels are, probably longer than 30 seconds. Yeah, like minute to minute and a half.

SPEAKER_05 45:44

But yeah, do it. Yeah, do it. I challenge you to do it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 45:48

So if you play them all back to back, you have a whole recipe. I love it. And the whole length of time that it takes.

SPEAKER_06 45:57

You know, I I'm here for it. Yeah. But I think like yeah, let's do it. I think that's why generative AI has gotten its little nasty claws because people instead of watching an artist create a picture and you see it happen like in time lapse where it's happening quickly, so you think, well, why can't it just be a quick thing when it really took several hours? Because art takes time, because you have to imagine and think and create and plan and mistake and erase and recreate and start over until you get it right, but it's all been curated in a in a two-minute reel, so it looks very quick. And and like I I hate that I love that artists can get their stuff out there. Yeah. That social media is there because I have met people and learned about new artists that I've never would have known, you know, in a different country, in a different part of our our country or whatever. Like there's the connections made, but like the the oh, do it quick, do it quick is such a uh an annoyance to me.

SPEAKER_07 47:12

Okay, one one of the many problems with generative AI is it makes people think that you don't have to be good at something. Like we have a whole subset of people now who are doing generative AI that think that half asking something is okay. Yeah. And they think that they are and artists. Well, why why should I ask an artist to do this thing for me, even if it wouldn't be that expensive? Say, a flyer for your local small business. Ask somebody to do it for you. They might charge you five bucks, it might be ten bucks. But yeah, oh, why should I do that when I could just make a flyer by myself? Oh, never mind the fact that it looks like all the other flyers in the area that all the other small businesses are doing. And this is my personal rant of all the small businesses in this area who are currently doing this. Yeah. But like it tricks people into thinking that we don't need artists anymore, that we don't need people to create things anymore. And we do more it's also making people think that we don't need to think anymore. Yeah. And that's so dangerous. And I've been watching scary, dangerous. One of the CEOs of uh this is sorry, this is a this is becoming a very passionate rant, but one of the C CEOs of one AI company, I don't know which one, I don't know his name, uh, has said that we see a future where um knowledge intelligence intelligence is a utility like power and gas and water that we can charge people for. Do you realize what that freaking means? Do you realize what that means? Yeah. That means that means that people are first of all, eventually chat GPT will not be free. Yep. You will have to start paying for it, but by then you will be so dependent on it that you will pay for it. Because you're like, I don't know how to write- You don't know how to think for yourself.

SPEAKER_06 49:14

I don't I don't know how to uh use words to get what's in my head. Yeah. Like I would I was thinking about like your flyer thing. And like I get an influx of stuff across my reels of people who are like doing MS paint flyers, which I am like, yes, please do that. Yeah. And I just thought of the most wonderful thing. If you have a small business and you need a flyer, go to your child if you have one, yeah, or a friend's child and say, Hey, draw me a picture that's and then and then you just take a Sharpie and write the pertinent information on it. Yeah, and give that kid five bucks.

SPEAKER_05 49:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 49:56

Because you know what you're gonna teach that kid? Taking that time to create a picture of their own has value. Yes. Not only are you gonna show it to people and people are gonna be like, Oh my gosh, you drew this. How cool. Because kids, people will not tell kids that their scribbles are terrible. They will tell them they are wonderful. So you're gonna encourage that child's creativity.

SPEAKER_07 50:19

You will boost your business because people will think, wow, how cool that they got a child to make the desire.

SPEAKER_06 50:24

And then you're also gonna give that child like they're gonna be like, I can create art and make money for my favorite new Pokemon card or whatever.

SPEAKER_07 50:35

That's not even about making it making money. But yeah, you can give that kid confidence that art has value. That art has value. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 50:43

Yeah, that's what I'm that's where I'm going. Like creating something from your head and putting it on a paper. Like, encourage your child, put put every picture they draw on the fridge and tell them that it's great. Yeah. And then show them the improvement as they continue to draw and encourage them because that is so vital. And use their scribbles for your flyers.

SPEAKER_07 51:05

Yeah. Human creativity is so valuable and it's something that is fading.

SPEAKER_06 51:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 51:10

With generative AI.

SPEAKER_06 51:12

Not even fading, it's being pushed down. And it's being it's literally people are being told it doesn't matter. Derated. Yeah. Like derated? Is that a word? Derated, degraded? Degraded. Degraded. Downgraded. Yes. Like, oh, uh, I'm an artist because I can type words into a computer that went and scrubbed all the art that was already created.

SPEAKER_07 51:34

And like artists are are being told that, well, you you won't do it the way I want I want you to do, and you charge too much, and you shouldn't be doing this for a living anymore because hey, AI's here and it's not going away. That's such a that's a horrible thing for an artist to hear.

SPEAKER_06 51:54

It is a horrible thing. And like that artist has a family that, you know, even if it's just them and a cat or a dog, like they have to feed themselves, they have to keep their lights on. Like support them.

SPEAKER_07 52:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 52:07

Just just I didn't expect this.

SPEAKER_07 52:10

I didn't episode rant, but you know.

SPEAKER_06 52:14

You know, sometimes we will always always need said.

SPEAKER_07 52:16

Yeah. We will always encourage creativity, human creativity. Um, even if it means using Photoshop. Photoshop is not AI. You still need a human, you still need to know the program. Digital art is not AI. Illustrator is not AI. Yeah, like, yeah, digital art is not AI. That is not what we mean here. We mean generative AI where you type prompts in. Yes.

SPEAKER_06 52:38

And and you you steal from everyone who's put their hard work out there to be seen. You're you're stealing.

SPEAKER_07 52:45

Yeah. I saw another reel that like even if he was talking about music, his music. Um, so there have been songs that have been banned um from being scrubbed by AI. And I think Johnny Be Good was one of the songs, but AI has access to that song and has used it, and it is very recognizable in an AI generated song that this person used in his example. And he said, okay, so if a song that was supposed to be off limits for AI can still learn from that song, like if AI can still learn from that song and be completely recognizable, what about the music that you wouldn't recognize from an artist that you don't know? Yeah. Like you can't just listen to a piece of AI-generated music and think, oh yes, that is completely original because I don't recognize any parts of it as being from songs that I know.

SPEAKER_06 53:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 53:53

You don't know that. There's so many artists and musicians out there that you don't know. And same with artists, like with uh like physical medium artists, digital artists, um, visual media, I guess. Like just because you don't recognize another artist's work in this AI piece doesn't mean it's not there. Yeah. And that it wasn't stolen.

SPEAKER_06 54:15

Yeah. And and I hate the I hate the connotation of AI and learn together because it's not it's just compiling data. You, the human, can learn.

SPEAKER_07 54:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 54:31

Because you can increase the knowledge that's in your brain and you can do better things with it. And it's so vital and important to just be a better human by increasing your knowledge. Like, yeah, you don't have to be the person who can solve you know all the math problems and and cure cancer. Just you can become a better human.

SPEAKER_07 54:53

If your excuse is you don't have time to create, then that's fine. Let the creative people who have time for it and want to do this and have passion for it, let them continue to do it. You don't have to be good at art just because you now have this tool that makes you think you're good at art. I don't have to be good at music.

SPEAKER_06 55:11

I love music. I do not understand how to put music together and create beautiful songs that I love. Like I am I'm blown away when people are like, oh, I wrote a song and this is it, and they play it, and I'm like, What? Like your your dad, the intro to our our our Yeah, that was a human-made piece of music, and you know, and your brother plays and your mom plays, and I'm just like, huh, they're they're so cool, they're so cool, they can do the thing, and like I could probably go on somewhere and tell a bot what I like and say I made a song, but I know that it's not mine. Yeah, it's just a copy of what I like, and I would hate myself for doing that forever. Um, so I don't. I know that I don't have musical talent, so I'm not gonna try to become a musician. I don't, I'm not that entitled to believe that just because I like music I can therefore.

SPEAKER_07 56:13

Yeah, no, I have this tool that will let me create the the kind of music that I like.

SPEAKER_06 56:16

It's still gonna be crap music, but yeah, it's not gonna be music, it's gonna be whatever. But anyway, that that was just a tangent and a rant that I've just been in my feelings lately.

SPEAKER_07 56:27

Yeah, I just like I've my people pleaser side of me wants to apologize for that rant, but also like if you are offended by that rant, then maybe this podcast isn't for you because we are so very much against generative AI. And like we talked about AI, we had a whole uh episode on it in the past, and we said the AI for self-driving vehicles, totally on board with that.

SPEAKER_06 56:53

That's still true. And there and AI has a part in in different portions of research and technology. It I I don't it's the generative, but yeah, don't let it replace human thought. Yeah. And it needs ingenuity and creativity, and yeah, like it it humans create art, and by art I'm covering all the things art, you know, visual mediums, music, you know, movies, dance, like all of that. All of so beautiful. Like there are so many.

SPEAKER_07 57:34

They're all over on Etsy. I know, I I it's ridiculous. I hate Etsy so much now.

SPEAKER_05 57:39

Yeah, but like Etsy is a good platform to sell on, but like they need to find a way to ban AI. They won't.

SPEAKER_06 57:45

Yeah. They need to find I anyway. I've I'm checking out this place called FIBE FYBE. They are anti-AI, they have a stance of no AI. So hey, go check that out and let's make them uh grow. Let's make them trend.

SPEAKER_07 57:59

They started out as only a place for fiber arts, but it says right there on their homepage that they are wanting to expand just because of the the AI infiltration that has happened everywhere else.

SPEAKER_06 58:10

Yeah. And there's no I'm not gonna go into it. There's no per listing fee, and there's no like it looks really cool. You just pay X dollars a month for so many listings, and it's tier-based, and there's no advertising on their platform. So cool. If you if you're a struggling artist, you can be in there. If you're have money to throw advertisements, go somewhere else. You can you can advertise elsewhere. They don't like that's the problem with Etsy. Yeah, if you can pay to advertise, you're on the front page. If you can't, you may never get seen. Yeah. So, you know, I anything that says we are anti-AI, guess what? I'm a fan. I'm a fan. If you are anti-generative AI, I am 100% a fan.

SPEAKER_07 58:55

If you are looking for an alternative to Google Docs that's geared to writers, yes, ellipsis. E-L-L-I-P-S-U-S.

SPEAKER_06 59:04

Ellipsis. We've been using it for about uh yes, it is ellipsis.com for about a week, uh 10 days or so now. Yeah. And we are slowly porting our Google Docs over to it and deleting them off of Google Docs because they scrub your writing. So authors.

SPEAKER_03 59:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 59:22

I'm loving stuff over. You can collaborate.

SPEAKER_07 59:26

You can it's there are other platforms for writers, but we were using Google Docs just because we couldn't uh no other none of the other writing platforms um had real time had real time collaborative writing. Like we couldn't get in there at the same time and write in the same doc, same conversation, you know.

SPEAKER_03 59:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 59:48

This one does this one does, and it's and it's cool, it's wonderful. And it's so easy. Like I went to the website, I dug into it, and five minutes later I can do everything that I could do on Google Docs. So easy to learn, and I'm excited for it. So go check that out. They have a no AI, they cannot be scrubbed by AI. So your works are safe. Yeah. So um anyway, anyway, wow. So we went from let's go to college to let's bake bread to let's burn AI to the ground. Yeah. And I'm still pro all of those things. So sorry that this became such a no, I'm not apologizing.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:28

No, yeah, don't apologize for the rant because it is how we feel. And please stop using gen AI. Yeah, it's it's bad for your brain and it's bad for the environment.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:39

Bad for your brain and it's terrible for the environment. Yeah. So um, that is our call to action. Uh, remove something AI generated from your life this week. Yeah. But I have no examples of that. I have. I mean, well, if you're a small business and you're looking at something for a flyer, go ask a kid. Yeah. Dig out MS Paint. Yeah. Just have some fun. Grab some Sharpies and a piece of paper and your camera.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:08

Find someone, hire someone, a graphic designer, to actually do it and think of it as you are supporting a small business just as you hope to be supported. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guarantee you there's someone in your community who would do it.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:23

Yep.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:24

And not charge an arm and a leg.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:26

Yeah. Because everybody just really wants to buy groceries. Yeah. That's all we want. Which I mean, that does cost an arm and a leg. Well, yeah. So but if you have $20 more doll than you had last week, then you have $20 more dollars and you can you can buy some food. Yeah. So or keep the lights on a little bit longer, you know? So support local designers and artists and creatives. Yep. And um keep being awesome and being wonderful to each other. Yeah. Uh warm members. Warm. You gotta do that. Um, you yours is bread. Yeah, mine was the the baked bread. Honestly, mine might be bread. Let me see if I wrote a warm ember down. Um, oh no, I do. Okay, so my warm ember is your bread. Oh, I can't. But also um I the encouragement that everyone has given me um when I tell them about the school thing. Like I've been getting messages from people and they're like, Yes, this is this is what you've needed to do. This I can totally see this for you. This is like, yes, why haven't you done this before? You know, um, so I'm getting a lot of encouragement, and that's made me feel good because I'm full of self-doubt and yeah. Yeah. The encouragement is wonderful and appreciated. Um, so if if you listen to this and you've sent me encouragement, thank you so much. You have managed to help me not have a mental breakdown. And I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:51

And also Jess's bread. I I did have a mental bake down. Yay! No, that's not a good thing. Wait, but the baking made me happy, so I mean, that's good. Yeah. Um, but your war member reminded me of another one, and this actually happened a while ago, but I did want to say something about it, and I don't think I have mentioned it on the podcast. But uh, like like I mentioned earlier, money has been stressful, finances have been just a huge, huge stressor in life recently. And um a few weeks ago, one of the dry cleaning customers oh my gosh, I have two things. Wow. I might have mentioned the grocery one on here though. I think I did. The gift card. What? No, carry on. You're you mouse something at me, and it the the movement of your mouth showed up in the microphone. Uh so yeah, we um the original one that I was gonna mention is this uh regular dry cleaning customer comes in, and I have also dog sat for her in in the past. And the first time I went over to her house to meet the dog, I ended up staying there for like three hours. We were talking about things. She was also a yoga instructor, and she found out that I taught yoga. And so we just we had a lot to talk about, and we like we connected and we clicked. And once she find find it out, once she wow, once she found out that I was going to school for massage therapy, like she's been asking about how that's going, when's school starting? Am I all registered and am I doing okay? And last time she asked about it, I mentioned frustration with the college. And that we've mentioned they're they moved to a new student information system and everything's just taking a lot longer. So I don't know if I'm getting financial aid. Um, and she actually offered to help with school. And I like I turned her down because I honestly don't know her well enough to like accept financial help from her. Yeah, yeah, give me a couple thousand dollars. That's fine. But like she was so sweet for offering. And um, like I said, you know, I I'm not gonna ask you to do that. It's okay. And she was like, Well, if you change your mind, let me know because I I see this for you. Yeah. And like that just made me feel good.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:29

Yeah. I mean, I think that's wonderful to do.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:32

Like, and like we've also had friends offer both of us help with school friends and listeners to this podcast. You know who you are. We love you. Um, and we also turn them down. Yeah. Because it feels very weird. It's weird. It is weird to it's just it just feels weird.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:50

But borrowing money from deeply, deeply appreciated. Very appreciated.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:54

Yeah. That's yeah. Like that is like that's a very, very warm ember. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:00

But also the love is felt. The love is felt.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:03

Yes. Yeah. I think yeah. That's wonderful.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:06

So yeah, we we talk about stresses with money, but and like if if the situation were more dire, then yes, we would would take people up on these offers. But I I think I'm okay. Yeah. I'm pretty sure I'm getting financial aid enough to cover tuition and books. So I still don't know officially, but I got an estimate today. Sweet. And it should cover everything. I just don't have an actual number or have no idea when it's actually gonna be in my account. So yeah, we'll see.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:43

Yeah. Yeah. It's gonna be great. Anyway. I just have to keep doing what did you send um, or you posted something and it had like kids saying things, and someone said like uh today is gonna be a good day because I decided that this morning.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:59

Yeah, I shared a post on my personal Facebook.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:03

I loved that. I think I don't know if I reshared it. I don't think I did.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:07

No, I think I got the notification that you liked it and you were the only one that has, and I shared it like two days ago.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:14

Wow, it just showed up.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:15

So there's one that says, I'm not being bad, my brain just got loud.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:20

I told myself I'm brave, and then I believed me. Yeah. Say something nice to me. I ran out. This one, I love this one, and I want to put it because this is so important to do. I have to be a puddle for a minute, and then I'll be a person again. I love that.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:34

And that's like said by a seven-year-old.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:36

Seven-year-old, like, yeah, yeah, take that moment to have your feelings, acknowledge them, and then carry on. Yeah because you just kind of have to. I practice being happy so I get good at it. Love that one. Yeah. I need a big tight hug until my feelings go back in. So beautiful. I love this. That was a hard day, but I'm still a good kid. Aww. My brain keeps playing the sad part. Can we change the song? That one hit me. I love that because I do hit those comfort loops, yeah. Good songs, and sometimes they're sad, and I'm like, I need to get out of this sad song loop. Yeah. But sometimes they just hit right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:16

I love this. And like sometimes a sad song will pull you out of your own negative mindset brain loop.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:22

Yeah. Yeah. I love this. This will be the last one I'm gonna share, and then I think we can probably I'm allowed to be sad. I'm just not allowed to stay there forever. Aw. And I think I think when I read that one, I was like, that's how I'm gonna focus on like the stress things. I'm allowed to stress over this. Everyone is stressing over finances and and all of this. Like, I'm allowed to this, but I can't let myself stay there. I have to be like, okay, I'm gonna do I'm gonna do this today and work forward from today. And then and not not because I tend to go, oh, I wish I hadn't bought, you know, that stray kids album. The thing that we didn't need. That we didn't need, you know, because like that would be money that I would have in my account. I'm like, no, I would have spent it on something else, probably MMs, you know. But like, but I also like the Stray Kids album made me happy. And it still makes me happy because we still listen to it. And you know, have your happy. Yeah. You're allowed to be sad, you're allowed to be happy, you're allowed to be stressed.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:31

Don't happy yourself uh into poverty. Yeah, don't do that.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:34

Like space it out a little bit. Um but yeah, I think we're stressed, but tomorrow's another day, and we'll have a see what happens then. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:48

It's not time to worry yet. It's not time to worry yet. Atticus Finch said that in To Kill a Mockingbird, and I love it. And I did an art piece on it. Yeah, I know, and I love that.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:00

And we gotta buy some uh frames to put your art piece up. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:06

It's not time to worry yet. Yeah. Also, if you haven't read To Kill a Mockingbird, why not do it? It's probably banned, so you know.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:14

You should read it. You should read it. It's beautiful and sad and uh relevant. Oh yeah. Uh-huh. But yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:24

Um share uh your war member with us. Please follow us on social media, just look for Jessin Hits. You can find us on Facebook, on uh Instagram. We're on TikTok. If you could follow us, there's nothing there. We've done some reposting. I don't know. Um what else are we on?

SPEAKER_06 1:10:49

Uh TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Facebook, that's it. Threads.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:54

Threads, that was the other thing that I couldn't.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:56

I don't fig I can't figure out how I'm why I'm not getting notifications on threads. So if you are commenting there, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:04

If you're commenting on our Justin Hidds Threads account, I'm not getting notifications either. But I mean nobody really comments in any uh any other account.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:13

So um it's fine. Yeah. We'd love to hear from you. Um if you don't want to post on our you can find us um send us a message. Yeah. So yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:23

Talk about your war member, talk about uh your own creativity, share art with us, share the things that you create. Bake something and take a picture of it, like anything that you create with your human hands and brain. Yes. We want to know about it. And uh we have a Discord if you would like to share with others in our community as well. And you can find the link to our Discord on our website, jessinhids.com. Um, or you can follow us for free on Patreon if you don't want to be an executive producer of our podcast. Uh, you could just be a follower. What would the a follower a groupie?

SPEAKER_06 1:12:08

Um my gosh. You can be our group. We've never had groupie.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:13

You can follow us for free, patreon.com slash Jess and Hids. Um and yeah, if you if you decide you want a membership in our Patreon, you can bump yourself up to exec executive producer. Which is something that Hids heard on another podcast.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:29

So like I loved it. I fell in love. I can't remember. Um, oh, it was the history goes bump, the episode I listened to, which was like from 2018 or something. Um, but they were talking about their Patreon and like their executive producers, and I loved that. I was like, yeah, because because our Patreon right now is what keeps the podcast uh paid for. Yeah. That's what our Patreon is doing. It's paying for the podcast and our website, and that's it. That's it. So we would we would love to have more executive producers on our site. So we should we need to do a graphic.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:04

If we have more executive producers, we can get merch.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:10

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:11

Yeah. That's it. That was the end of my sentence. You you look like you're just gonna be more. Yeah, just merch. Just merch. Yeah, we we have zero overhead money to make merch right now.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:24

So yeah, if if we get more funds than because we have ideas, we have cool stuff that we have want to get out there. But anyway, um most importantly, just share us, tell your friends about us and spread the word. Yeah. And um thank you for being here.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:39

Thank you so much for listening and for being here. And we'll be back in two weeks. Yep. See you next time. Talk at you next time. What do I say? That talk at you next time. I don't know. Like, it's all good. It's my sign off. And I forgot it. Yep, it's fine.