The Men In Black Don't Want You To Know About P. Anubis

Once they finally stop laughing…sort of…Hids gives us a brief look at the Men in Black! They’re going back to 1947 and the start of the UFO craze in the US. We visit Washington State and learn a bit about the first appearance of the Men In Black. Are they supernatural? Are they FBI Agents? Are they just a hoax?

Jess takes us across the ocean to Egypt and tells us about an amazing fossil find called Phiomicetus Anubis. Cute oversized sea puppy or vicious prehistoric predator? 

Hids’ Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_in_black

https://www.history.com/articles/men-in-black-real-origins

Jess’ Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phiomicetus

https://www.livescience.com/ancient-whale-god-of-death.html

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/rspb/article/288/1957/20211368/86341/A-new-protocetid-whale-offers-clues-to

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Okay. New music. I got new music today. Oh sweet. I haven't heard it yet. You're gonna hear it now. Okay, not actually. I love it, right? Isn't it great? Then see it now. See it now. Yeah, I've got new music. Cool.

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It's this uh I about said duty free, and I know that's not the royalty free. Correct.

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So YouTube will stop yelling at us every time we I thought the music we had before was also royalty free, but apparently it's copywritten because YouTube is like, hey, you have copywritten stuff on your on your uh podcast. So yeah, that's that's all gonna be changing. It's all gonna be new music. I'm gonna be slowly going back every single episode to edit the new music in. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:10

So this is where I go. Shout out to Jess for being the editor of the podcast because wow. Yeah. So it's fun. Sorry. It's fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:22

Good. I'm glad you like it. Yeah. Anyway, how's it going? What let's see, what else? What hmm, what new things have happened in the last two weeks?

SPEAKER_03 1:36

We recorded episode two of A Tale of Two Kobolds. Yeah. I'm knocking stuff off the shelf somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 1:42

It's fine. I just knocked um a bunch of stuff off the shelf like a few seconds before we started recording, and it's still on the floor floor. Cool, cool, cool.

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Yeah. Um what else is new? What else is new?

SPEAKER_02 1:57

I don't know. My brain goes blank. Like things have happened. Yeah. But my brain goes blank. We got accepted. We both got accepted into college. Yay. Which, like, I mean, if you breathe, this college accepts you. So that wasn't like a big deal. But stop it.

SPEAKER_04 2:12

I was feeling really good about myself.

SPEAKER_03 2:17

Um, sorry. No, you're good. I know. Community colleges are like, please come to us. Thank you. Yes. You want to learn? Here you go.

SPEAKER_02 2:25

But we're both officially in and waiting to get the ball rolling with registering for classes, but we I'm still waiting for another email to make that happen.

SPEAKER_03 2:34

I'm gonna take they have some um summer art courses. Yeah. And I'm gonna take some. You should.

SPEAKER_02 2:42

And this community college, it's really cool. They have a grant that allows them to offer a bunch of summer classes for free.

SPEAKER_03 2:52

So I am taking some. Yeah. They're also online, which means I don't actually have to go into the building. So that's cool.

SPEAKER_02 2:59

Yeah, it works with our schedule too. Yeah. Like we're never free during the day. No.

SPEAKER_03 3:04

Because we have jobs. That's gonna be interesting in fall semester.

SPEAKER_02 3:07

Yeah, when we actually have to take classes.

SPEAKER_03 3:10

A lot of mine are online, but I'm not sure. A lot of mine are hybrid and I could do both, but some are actually Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:18

Even the ones that like, yeah. I think I have to say there might be a CPR course. Oh yeah, that's hands-on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:24

But that's I mean that's do you have to take that through the school, or can you just do it? I can take it anywhere. It has to it has to have a certain certification, but I can take it, yeah. Whatever. Yeah, that's just like a I should probably try to figure out where to take that.

SPEAKER_02 3:36

I'm sure there are places in Sholo.

SPEAKER_03 3:41

I mean Sholo is a 20-minute drive away, but it's like when people hit hit the main road that goes through Sholo, they forget how to drive, so traffic sucks.

SPEAKER_02 3:52

Yeah, Sholo is a town that grew substantially in 2020, but the infrastructure does not support it. So like there's always traffic there.

SPEAKER_03 4:02

It's still growing and growing and growing. And yeah. It's a it's a it's a four-lane divided highway.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:11

But you would think it's a people forget how single track. I mean, it's just like I want to be like, hey, on your steering wheel, on the steering column, there's this little stick. And if you push it one way or the other, it tells everyone around you which way you're planning to go.

SPEAKER_02 4:29

Yeah, it's pretty much also turning lanes exist for a reason. Don't slow down before you get in the turning lane because that slows down all the traffic behind you.

SPEAKER_03 4:38

I mean, don't turn in the turning lane two seconds before you have to turn because then you're still stuck in the other lane, and everybody around behind you has to stop anyway.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

Yeah.

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Okay.

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This is traffic ranting. Jess and Hids. Traffic rant. Traffic rant.

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Don't get mistotted.

SPEAKER_02 4:59

By the way, this is um welcome to episode 16 of season two of Jess and Hids Make a Podcast. I'm Jess. I'm Hids. Welcome to our podcast. Oh boy. Wow. We're so good at this, and one day we're gonna learn how to do a podcast. Yeah. It has I mean, it's been over a year. We haven't figured it out yet.

SPEAKER_03 5:23

It's okay. We're slow learners. Don't make fun of us. It's fine.

SPEAKER_02 5:28

We could go that route, or we can say, you know what, this is our podcast. We can do whatever we want. Oh, we should do that. Yeah. Yeah. It's punk. That's more punk.

SPEAKER_03 5:37

It is more punk.

SPEAKER_02 5:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:38

Like my hair right now.

SPEAKER_02 5:40

Yeah. You got the mohawk thing going on.

SPEAKER_03 5:42

The mohawk thing.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

Seriously, I'm gonna that's a new thing that's happened within the last two weeks. Both of us got our hair cut. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:48

Yeah. Your hair is super cute, by the way. Thank you. Mine's just we were playing the game today. This is punk and edgy. It's very punk and edgy right now.

SPEAKER_04 6:01

It's like, I don't even want to listen.

SPEAKER_03 6:04

We were we were playing our uh our game tonight, and I had the camera up, but it was at the wrong angle, so it was the top. It was just your forehead up. And I would like look up, and there'd just be this wild random purple strand of hair put your hair be all the expression you need.

SPEAKER_02 6:25

Like a little gonzo vibe going on over here.

SPEAKER_03 6:28

Oh my goodness. The cats are prowling as well. Speaking of gonzo, that's the other thing. We're binging the old Muppet Show. I'm just watched a bunch of Muppet movies.

SPEAKER_01 6:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:39

I love the Muppets, and I would like to be on the Muppet Show one day. That is my life goal. I don't even think they're still doing the Muppet Show. So they tried the reboot, but I don't know if that's going still. So sad. Can we just when I get rich and famous, I'm gonna be like how much will it cost for one episode of the Muppet Show that I could be on? I'm gonna produce it directly. No, I'll just I'm gonna be rich and famous. I'll just pay for it to be done. That's what a producer does. Oh, did they executive producers? Okay, that's what I want to do. Okay. Yeah. I'm gonna go buy some lottery tickets really quick. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 7:16

Didn't work out for me. It never worked out. Anyway.

SPEAKER_03 7:23

Anyway, so Muppets. Let's do this. The Muppet Show is great. So much. Yeah. Animal's my number one favorite. Yes. And then Gonzo and Fozzie. Fozzie. Yeah. And I adore them both.

SPEAKER_02 7:39

Also, sweetest chef. Gotta throw him in there. Even though he's got the creepy human hands. Creepy human hands. He's just, it's great. I love him though.

SPEAKER_03 7:47

Bork, work, work. Anybody talking. And the moose. And the motion.

SPEAKER_02 7:55

My sister got bit by a moose. Moose bites can be nasty.

SPEAKER_03 8:05

Okay, stop. Uh I can't. I've been like slap happy. How many all during the game? I was like, normally I'm quiet during this game, but I don't know what happened today.

SPEAKER_02 8:18

What happened is we got a couple of jokes in that people actually heard and laughed at. And so we just fed off of that. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:26

Yeah. Apparently I'm still there. I don't know. That's okay. This is gonna be a good episode. Okay. It is. We oh, we also had um uh chocolate espresso gelato. Oh my goodness. With caramel sauce on top. Gelato. So good. Yeah. So good.

SPEAKER_01 8:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:45

So good. Okay. Oh hey, you know what? We don't have any preparation done. Do you have the card? I've got my card. I've got my cards. You have the card cards.

SPEAKER_02 8:52

They just have out of the box.

SPEAKER_03 8:57

Okay, we're gonna just gonna go back to dice roll next season. It's just easier because our dice are always on the desk.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:04

Oh, here, I bought I bought you Oh, you bought that for me. Thank you. You bought it from the kitchen.

SPEAKER_03 9:12

I did. I I bought you a Utah truffle in the kitchen. There's two for you and two for me.

SPEAKER_02 9:18

Oh, yay.

SPEAKER_03 9:18

But we're not gonna eat them.

SPEAKER_02 9:19

We're not gonna eat them during the podcast.

SPEAKER_03 9:21

The microphone, because that would be so annoying. Yeah. Okay. We'd we'd drop listeners. I would quit. I'm out. Chomp, chomp chomp. I'm out. Okay. Just keep scooting the deck over there.

SPEAKER_01 9:37

Wait, I got a wild card.

SPEAKER_03 9:39

Oh my gosh, you and the wild card. You're stacking the deck over there, I think.

SPEAKER_02 9:43

I don't know what a wild card.

SPEAKER_03 9:45

I'm gonna go first. I think so. So annoying. What'd you get? We have stupid six. I think you should go first anyway.

SPEAKER_02 9:56

Wild, I just I was not thinking when I made up the rules for this game. But to be fair, I ran them by you, and you were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So it's really, if you think about it, it's on both of us. I'm gonna hold on to my wild card. Okay. Because it says on a tie, you can change the color of your card or draw again.

SPEAKER_04 10:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 10:25

So I know. See, like now what? What do I do with it? I don't know. I keep it in the event of a tie, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 10:34

Okay, but do you have to draw again? I guess so. Okay, yeah, I think you have to draw again. I got a one. Does that mean you go first? No, that means you go first.

SPEAKER_02 10:41

God dang it.

SPEAKER_03 10:47

Okay, fine. We're good. Okay. You this Uno game has destroyed my streak of not going. That was my plan all along. Wow. Wow. Wow, okay. Oh, wait, no, wrong drawer. Hang on, I can't see out of my glasses. Hold on.

SPEAKER_02 11:05

Wait. Doesn't that be it?

SPEAKER_03 11:09

I thought they were supposed to help you see. I well, they're I don't know. They're all like they're dirty. I'm gonna clean them my hair really quick because I do need to be able to see my notes.

SPEAKER_02 11:18

I I heard I'm gonna clean them my hair really quick.

SPEAKER_03 11:24

Okay, you have to stop saying funny things because apparently I cannot control myself tonight. Hang on, I didn't think I was the funny one.

SPEAKER_02 11:36

Well, I thought I was the not funny one. You are in so many ways, and then you aren't in others.

SPEAKER_03 11:47

Okay, no, I'm sorry. I what is going on? There's something on my glasses. I'm so very sorry. But there's like it's fine. I'll wait. What is going on with my glasses? Maybe there's something on the cat was chewing on my little cloth. Maybe she I don't know. Okay, I can see now. Oh wow, I can really see. This is quite this is gonna be one insane episode. It's fine. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 12:19

Thank you for sleeping. Oh, yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_04 12:26

Please stop. Oh man. Okay, please stop laughing.

SPEAKER_03 12:33

I know. You're good. Because I cannot control myself for some reason. So serious. So who that's not helping. Okay, no. Okay. Here we go. So what are you talking about? So uh remember when I drew my card last time, I was like all excited. And I was like, oh, this is gonna be fun. I'm gonna talk about this, it's gonna be cool. And it is cool, it's very cool. Um, but there's not as much information as I thought. Like there were a lot of articles and a bunch of YouTube things that I didn't watch, and a bunch of other well, here's the thing. I read like the synopsis of everything, all the YouTube things, and they all said the exact same thing. Okay, it was basically like the men in black are scary and they will make you stop talking about your UFO experience. Are you talking about a UFO thing? I'm talking about the men in black. Oh. Not the movie. Not the movie.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

Although the men in black, men in black galaxy defenders.

SPEAKER_03 13:38

Yep. But we're not gonna talk about the movie. No. Um I'm gonna tell you a little bit about the men in black, which isn't much, but then I'll tell you like where it all started, which is more fun. I'm excited. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

So where's what's his name?

SPEAKER_02 13:57

What's the name of the character we invented?

SPEAKER_01 13:59

Gorlock? No, that's Gorlik. Gorlik? He's over there. I know. Which character? The radio guy.

SPEAKER_02 14:07

Oh Bobby Lasagna.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

Bobby Lasagna. Lasagna. Lasagna.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

Your chair is so squeaky.

SPEAKER_03 14:22

I was trying to ignore it. It's not working. Okay. Um, um, please join our Patreon so I can get a new chair.

SPEAKER_02 14:36

Or at least some WD40. Uh anyway, Bobby Lasagna's here to tell us about men in black.

SPEAKER_03 14:46

Oh, I wish I could remember Bobby's voice.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

It was the radio announcer.

SPEAKER_03 14:51

Hey, Bobby Lasagna here. Oh, hey, hey, coming to you live. It's Bobby Lasagna. We're gonna talk about the men in black tonight.

unknown 14:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 15:00

And that's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 15:01

That's like smooth jazz radio.

SPEAKER_03 15:03

That's all I got. Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 15:05

Oh yeah. We're gonna talk about the men in black. Maybe you've heard of them. I don't know. All I know is Will Smith makes this look good.

SPEAKER_03 15:24

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 15:25

I just I can't.

SPEAKER_03 15:26

I can't.

SPEAKER_02 15:27

I will stop. I'm sorry. I ha I also have a short topic. So this is me um patting it. Okay. Adding time.

SPEAKER_03 15:34

Well, it's just also you causing yourself a lot of editing to get rid of all the times I just can't stop laughing and there's nothing. Oh, I'm leaving all that in. Okay. Oh man. Okay, tell me about the men in black.

SPEAKER_04 15:53

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 15:55

The men in black. What do you know about them? Do you know, like, do you know their description, their basic description?

SPEAKER_02 16:00

I know that they wear black, but like it's not like the black suit and black tie that is in the men in black. Don't they wear like weird shiny suits? Kind of. But it's like weird shiny shiny suits. Uh should have done some tongue twisters before this. It's a lot of tectonic activity. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:27

Okay. Oh my gosh. Apologies to our listeners.

SPEAKER_02 16:34

I know that they're mysterious. And that like, I know like the TV show Fringe sort of drew on men in black uh vibes for their like bald men, their watchers, their observers, whatever they called. Um I know that they uh not human. Sort of. They they seem very alien-ish.

SPEAKER_03 17:04

So the general description is black suits, black hats, dark sunglasses, black cars, always arrive in groups of two or three, kind of described as FBI agent style. Yeah. Um, but off. But some of them are described as having strange appearances or supernatural feet features like glowing eyes or strange complexions. Um, we're gonna talk about a book. We're gonna talk about a couple different books. Um, but in the 1962 book, Flying Saucers and the Three Men, they're described a bit more frighteningly. Oh. Um, Albert K. Bender, who wrote that, and we're gonna talk about him a little bit more too, um, said they floated about a this is the quote from the book, they floated about a foot off the floor. They looked like clergymen, but wore hats similar to Homburg style. The faces were not clearly discernible. I have a neat little thing on that. Okay. For the hats partly hid and shaded them. The eyes of all three figures suddenly lit up like flashlight bulbs. They seemed to burn into my very soul as the panes above my eyes became almost unbearable. Pain above your eyes. Yeah, I guess like when they looked into his eyes, it just caught, you know, instant migraine. That's what happens when you get a light reactive migraine, it hits right above your eyeballs. So to Albert K. Bender, they are they were more frightening and more supernatural or paranormal. Um, the Hamburg style hat, I had to go look this up because I was like, Yeah, I don't know what that means. I thought they wore fedoras, but they wore Hamburg style hats. So the difference is they're very similar hats. So you know what a fedora looks like? Yeah. The fedora has a crease down the center, but the crown is pinched, so it kind of makes a little like a triangle shape. Okay. The Hamburg hat is just creased down the center. Wow, that's such a subtle difference. It well, and they were also made in different places. Like the Homburg style hat is from Homburg. Yes. I forgot where the fedora was made originally. I did have that in my notes and lost it because I did some editing. But anyway, that's my neat little thing about hats. I prefer the fedora look. I don't know why. Anyway, yeah. Um the men in black are known to show up after UFO appearances or certain cryptid appearances, that sort of thing. And they're always there to be like, Yes, we know you know, but you don't know, so forget it and never say a word about it. Or else. They use the little flashy thing on you. Well, no, that's a movie thing. I would love if that ex Well no, I wouldn't. That'd be a terrible thing. Anyway, is it selective? That would work. Um selective memory. Is that what you're talking about? So yeah, the men in black are there and they're like, we know that you know, but here's the thing you don't know. And basically, they never really say like, if you say anything, we'll kill you. They never really say that. They just intimate that if you say anything, they imply bad things will happen. Imply. That's the word I was looking at before. I'm not sure what intimate means. Um, I think that means like like when as soon as I said it, I was like, I'm not sure I'm using that correctly. But I think it's like, I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. I'm gonna kill you, that sort of thing. Okay. Anyway. So they don't do that. They don't do that. They imply. Yeah. Thank you for that. This is grammar with Jess and his.

SPEAKER_02 20:46

Grammar with Jess and His is mostly like, oh, I don't think that means what I don't think it means.

SPEAKER_03 20:52

And you're probably right. Um But yeah, that is their one uh purpose is to shut it down. Shut down the talk about paranormal phenomena.

unknown 21:05

Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

Uh we've been watching the Muppets. I had to. You had to. Yeah. You can't not. Yeah. So when did the first do you know when the first men in black were reported? Of course I don't. Well you should. You claim to be a UFO person sooner than that. The when did hmm?

SPEAKER_02 21:33

Sooner as in earlier than that? Earlier. Okay, yeah. Um the 40s?

SPEAKER_00 21:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 21:42

Cool. 1947. June of 1947. Because of Roswell. Nope, that was in July of 1947.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

Ah.

SPEAKER_03 21:52

I just had to Google that real quick because I couldn't remember the name.

SPEAKER_02 21:55

I was like, crap, who was Roswell? I did that episode. You did. That's hey.

SPEAKER_03 22:00

I remembered 1947. I know. Well done. I did too. I kept when I was doing this research, I was like, was that 47 when Roswell happened? Indeed, it was. Oh my gosh. There was also, it was uh MKUltra was also formed in 47. Yeah, a lot of lot of a lot of UFO stuff happened in 47. Yeah. Also, apologies for the laughter that's gonna happen because Stray just walked across my keyboard. She literally typed poo.

SPEAKER_04 22:35

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03 22:36

I honestly I can't. I can't anymore. We just let's we just have to stop. I can't go on.

SPEAKER_02 22:42

That's how Stray feels about the men in black.

SPEAKER_03 22:45

I know. She's like, I they don't scare me. Okay, anyway. In June tw in June of 1947, two things happened.

SPEAKER_01 22:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 22:54

Um, within three days of each other. On uh June 24th, there was an event that happened that was very kind of more publicized and widely reported. And this is when um Kenneth Arnold, who was a pilot, an Air Force pilot, had an alleged UFO sighting near Mount Rainier in Washington. And it was kind of it kind of touched off the flying saucer sensation. And there was a government report in 1949 on flying saucers. So that kind of blew it up. But three days prior to that, at Maury Island in Washington as well, Pacific Northwest is a crazy place. It really is. I want to go to there. So Harold Dahl was on uh on a boat in the oh gosh. I almost said Poogeot. Pooh. Literally, that poo is like two sentences two lines above that on the screen. Um is it Puget? Puget sound? Yeah. Okay. My apologies to our Washington. That's what I was gonna, I was like, Puget? No. Pujot. No, that's poo. That's a car. It's Puget. Wow. The Puget is. You know what?

SPEAKER_02 24:19

If I throw all of the pronunciations out there with absolute authority, one of them is gonna be right.

SPEAKER_03 24:24

One of them will be right. I'm gonna go with Puget, because that sounds right. Okay. Paget. In the Puget Sound. Oh my god, I hate you so much right now. Okay, go. Okay. I've moved my notes. Wait a minute. Okay. Harold Dahl was on the Puget Sound near the eastern shore of Maury Island. He was gathering logs. I'm not sure what he was doing. It said conservation missions, so I don't know if he was doing something, uh, like maybe seeing what these clearing. Clearing them, clearing them or cataloging like how much had drifted. I don't know. I don't know. I didn't get into that. He was doing this work and he saw six donut-shaped uh uh I um items objects. Good grief. In the sky? In the sky, about a half a mile above his boat. And so I have two conflicting things because in this uh website says before long one of the objects fell, followed by metallic debris. And then another article says, let me find them that one of the objects started spewing metallic debris that looked like newspapers falling from it, which I thought was weird. Metallic newspapers? Yeah, I don't I didn't understand that one. Anyway, I'm going back up here. Um, so uh some of this debris hit his son Charles and the the family dog. Oh no. Yeah, I'm not gonna. We're gonna as far as we're concerned, the doggy was fine after that. And he said he was able to take some pictures with this camera, which he later showed to his supervisor, uh, Fred Chrisman. Fred Chrisman's like, you're crazy. So he went back to the scene and he was like, Whoa, there is a strange something in the air here. And he says, and this one was like he saw one, so I think like maybe they were just speeding by doing a litter dump and taking off, like, here, we'll just dump our trash here, it's fine. He saw one or six? Well, Harold saw six. Fred saw one later on. Okay. There's no time frame for which later on that means like did Harold take a few pictures, run back then? It's probably in the book that I'm gonna talk about later. But I didn't have time to buy the and read the book. So and then the following morning, Harold Dahl said he was visited by a man in a black suit. They went to a local diner and the man recounted in extraordinary detail everything that Dahl had experienced. And he said, as quoted in this book, they knew too much about flying saucers. What I have said is proof to you that I know a great deal more about this experience of yours than you will want to believe. And then he was told not to speak of the incident because if he did, bad things would happen. Wow. So this was the first time that Men in Black were kind of described, but it didn't really take off. Like, cause it was just kind of this quiet little thing, and Harold Dahl was like, Got it, not gonna talk about this. Hey, Fred, we're not gonna talk about this. And Fred was like, Cool, man, not gonna talk about it. And then three days later, Bobby Lasagna was like, All right. All right, man, we're gonna talk about this stuff because that's less up. Flying saucers and men in black. Let's go. All over that. All over that. So three days later, we get the Kenneth Arnold report, the Air Force pilot who saw the UFOs over Mount Rainier. Okay. That kind of kicked it off. So the government report that was written in 1949 says that Harold Dahl and Fred Crimson, Crisman, I wrote Crimson, reached out um to a Chicago magazine and they wanted to sell their story, which was funny because they're in Washington. We're gonna call Chicago. Get Chicago on a horn. Get Chicago on the horn. Hey, Bobby. Hang on, I will put a call through right now. So they wanted to sell their story, and then the magazine editor called um this Kenneth Arnold, was like, hey, you saw you saw this thing and they saw this thing. And then uh Kenneth Arnold, who was Air Force, he uh was like, hey, let's send some intelligence officers over to talk to these two guys and see if what they saw was anything like what I saw, and we'll get together. So um in July, uh two Army intelligence officers came down to investigate, but then the next day they were leaving and their the plane crashed and um both officers were killed, and of course, all the UFO conspiracists were like, the guy in black said don't talk about this. So there was a huge government uh investigation into this because initially um they actually began a formal investigation because they were going to charge uh Harold Dahl and Fred Chrisman with the like accidental death of these two, like causing this because of this. Like Because they talked about it? Well, no, no, no, no. There was they're like, we need to know if this is true. Did you see this or is this a fake thing? Because if this is fake, you guys might be in trouble because we sent our guys up there and they got killed. Okay. Right, yeah. Yeah, sorry, I did kind of loop around in that. You with me?

SPEAKER_02 30:24

Did you catch up? Wait, they would have okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:27

So I'm here. They did a huge investigation. They really went in in depth on all of this. And there are um documents that you can read if you go. I did not go to the government website this time because, well, I've been there a lot this year for this podcast, and I thought I'm not gonna add another hit on the FBI website. But anyway, I didn't feel like it. So I didn't go read the whole government report, which I'm sure is from the FBI website all the time. I'm sure it's all been redacted. It's fine.

SPEAKER_02 30:57

Yeah, don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_03 30:58

Didn't happen. There are aliens, which there are. That's been confirmed. Obviously. Obviously. Anyway, so what the FBI decided was that this was indeed a hoax that just got out of hand. These men did not set out to cause any injury to anyone, obviously. They just So they didn't get charged. They did not get charged, which is good because that would have been kind of unfair. I mean, like, like that's not what you want that to happen.

SPEAKER_02 31:28

Even if it was a hoax. They probably didn't mean to cause the deaths of FBI agents.

SPEAKER_03 31:34

They also didn't mean to get the FBI involved.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:37

Like it was this it like the whole army thing got involved because of this pilot who also saw things. Yeah. And then Who happened to see the Chicago thing. Well, the Chicago thing called the pilot and was like, hey, we we saw this other thing. Let's see if it's connected because it's they're both in Washington. So they like it was kind of the uh that was funny until it wasn't. Um but yeah, basically every the FBI was like, these two guys wanted to get a little sensation going. And so they called the paper, and it just um they were trying to make a a deal to make some money with I remember now why they called Chicago. There's a fantasy magazine which was published in Chicago.

SPEAKER_02 32:22

Oh, that's funny. So not the first time we've mentioned fantasy magazine here on this podcast. Wait. I'm thinking I think I'm thinking of another one. Fantasy and science fiction.

SPEAKER_03 32:33

I think that's I think it's the same one. Yeah. Okay. Um so that kind of kicked off this investigation that then kind of got quiet again, and then Roswell happened, and then more sightings start happening, and the UFO thing is kind of taking off, and then people start talking about oh, there's a man in the black suit. I think men in black showed up at Roswell, and it's like they just kind of start showing up in different places. But this is actually kind of where it kicked off between with Maury Island, and then um what's his name? Oh, I just had his name. Arnold. Doll. Oh no, yeah, the pilot. Kenneth Arnold.

SPEAKER_02 33:17

Yeah, yeah. As a a throwback to the episode that I did on there was the shoot. It was an Urban Legend video game. Polybius. Polybius. Yes. Men in Black showed up there too.

SPEAKER_01 33:41

Yeah. Took the machine away. Took the machine away.

SPEAKER_03 33:45

After they had studied all the people playing.

SPEAKER_02 33:47

Yeah, after they had brainwashed the people or whatever. You don't know what your uh trigger word is gonna be until you hear it. Then it's too late.

SPEAKER_03 34:00

That's what if the podcast cuts off right now, no one will ever know because it won't get in. I know. So if you're still hearing this, the trigger word has not been said and we're all safe. Yeah. Um, so in um, I have lost my place in my notes. Okay, so the Maury Island thing happened in 1947 and kind of kicked off all these other UFO sightings and everything, but it didn't really like kick, like it wasn't really the big thing. You know, Roswell happened, more stuff happened that were bigger. And then Gary Barker wrote a book in 1956, and he wrote about the file on the Maury Island case, and it was writings from the guy in Chicago and who edit referred to the government report. And then this Gary Barker is like, oh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna look at this and be like, hey, this guy got visited by three men in black, and also this other guy, which I mentioned briefly earlier, Albert Bender, in 1953. And now Albert Bender was someone who kind of had a little uh a little magazine, a little thing going where he he was like he was big in the growing UFO community at that time. Uh-huh. And he had a little um thing that he would uh why can't I make the words?

SPEAKER_02 35:27

I don't know, they're right in front of your face.

SPEAKER_03 35:29

I know. He had a magazine, thank you. A magazine called Space Review. Um, and it was published. I love this, by Albert K. Bender's International Flying Saucer Bureau. Wow. Yeah. Great, huh? So Gary Barker would write little articles for him because he was uh collecting stories about the Flatwoods monster, which we're gonna talk about in another episode at some point because I love that we love the Flatwood Monster. Um, and that's from Braxton County in West Virginia, West Virginia, also a massive cryptid state. Crazy, yeah. Crazy you want to go there. So Gary Barker was already writing small articles about uh Brack, Braxy, not Braxy, the Flatwoods monster, and then he started writing little stuff about UFOs, and then he heard about um like Albert had been talking about his experiences, which I'm not going into detail about this too much, except that when Gary Barker heard about them, he's like, we need to talk, Albert. And Albert in 1953 said, Oh, shutting down the magazine, shutting down my little bureau of flying saucers, all done. I can't talk about UFOs anymore because I have had orders from a higher source. Wow. Men in black The Men in Black. And he's like, done. And Gary Barker's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, ow, buddy, I've been writing for you for a while now. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. So he pressed Bender for more details, and then he wrote his first book, They Knew Too Much About Flying Saucers, which was published in 1956 and is on our Amazon wish list. Sweet. Or it will be at the end of this because I can't add it before. I can't add it while you're in the Amazon account. I mean, you probably could have. I don't actually look at the wish list. Well, it would have shown up in the search engine. Yeah. So you'd be like, why are all these books about UFOs in my UFOs? I know what your topic is about. Um, so in this book, it talks about the men in black, and it was the one that really kind of described them in a way, like that can that the conspiracy theorists of the UFO world were like, they like latched onto it. They were like, oh my gosh, this is it, this is it. Um, so he Barker recounts um Al. I'm gonna just call him Al. Because it's funny to say Bender because I keep thinking Futurama. I know. And there was that scene where Bender went back in time to the Roswell incident. Yes. So it was like when I was doing these notes, I kept just giggling, like, ha ha ha, Bender. Um Bender.

SPEAKER_02 38:18

What's his little song? I uh something about Bender is great.

SPEAKER_03 38:23

I don't know. All I have in my head is an AT song right now, so I'm not gonna. Um so in this book, Gary Barker recounts Al's uh alleged encounters with the men in black, and he said they travel in groups of three, they wear the black suits, they drive large black automobiles, usually Cadillacs, which I was like, men in black are styling.

SPEAKER_00 38:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:46

So in 1962, Gary Barker and Al Bender collaborated on a second book called Flying Saucers and the Three Men, which is also going into our Amazon wish list.

SPEAKER_02 38:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 38:57

And this was uh published under Barker's own uh kind of publishing company called Saucerian Books. And let me tell you, Mr. Gary Barker is a prolific writer on UFOs. He's got one of the book on Lanulos, and which we talked about in another episode. Oh my gosh, I can't remember. I can't remember now.

SPEAKER_02 39:24

Me either, but I the name is familiar.

SPEAKER_03 39:26

Yeah. He's the one that uh Lanulos was the guy that got pulled over on the side of the road, and they were like, come on, let's go for a little spin in our in our UFO, and he ended up going to their planet and they all wander around naked because they don't worry about clothes. Right. But anyway, I taught why can't I think of the topic that that was discussed on?

unknown 39:49

I know.

SPEAKER_03 39:50

Oh well, it doesn't matter. Go back a few episodes, it'll be there.

SPEAKER_01 39:53

More than a few.

SPEAKER_03 39:54

Yeah. Somewhere in there. Um, Gary Barker also wrote books about the Silver Bridge. Um, the collapse of the Silver Bridge in Point Pleasant, West Virginia with the Mothman. Mothman. And that was actually written before John Keel's The Mothman Prophecies. Which yeah, I was like kind of I did not know that. The Mothman Prophecies kind of became the standard of standard, yeah, for Mothman. The book, not the movie. Um I heard the movie just kind of goes, woo. Boy, oh boy, the movie. That's a that's a ride. I have never seen it. I want to see it. It's funny. But I also want to read the book. Yeah. Or more so. And then um his final book uh that he published before he died in 1984 is a book called The Men in Black. Um, nope, it's about the men in black. It's called M I B The Secret Terror Among Us. Ooh. And all of this talk about the Men in Black is what kind of led to there was a comic book that came out and that became a movie. And became a franchise that's cool. Is fun to watch. Um, but yeah, I that was just I like I said, it's a little short little thing. Um there were hmm, did I have a thing on I thought I had a thing on Gary Barker. Oh, the one note I did want to talk about Gary Barker. Um, he is like a super skeptic. Oh. He's written like 60 books on the subject, but he is a super skeptic. He's like, none of this is real, but here I'm gonna tell you about why it is real. Wow. And I'm I'm like, I like this guy because he's just like it's all fake, but buddy, I have made a career about all my books and how much research I've done on how not fake this is. It's pretty great. Yeah. But the men in black uh first appearances in 1947. That's awesome. But they didn't get popular until 1950s. 1997.

SPEAKER_00 42:01

Here come the men in black. Won't let you remember.

SPEAKER_03 42:08

I had kick carry too, so I'm not gonna sing that with you. But I can hear it in my head.

SPEAKER_00 42:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:14

So yeah. I thought I would get a lot more.

SPEAKER_02 42:17

Where did I get shiny suits from?

SPEAKER_03 42:19

Um I feel like it was Inred Cold. That was that episode I did when he had the shiny food. Yes, yes, okay. Oh my gosh. It's all coming together now. Yep. Indred Cold was the Len. He's from Lennulus.

SPEAKER_01 42:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:36

Sorry. Stop. You're doing more than 30 seconds.

SPEAKER_02 42:39

We're gonna get like I'm not doing more than 30 seconds. That's just been tiny little tiny little bit.

SPEAKER_03 42:43

All right, all right. But that's it. The men in black, they will uh if you have a UFO experience and you talk about it, they're gonna come visit you and tell you to stop talking about it, which is why I have never really uh publicly talked about my UFO experience.

SPEAKER_01 42:59

So yes, we have on this very podcast.

SPEAKER_03 43:05

No, we haven't.

SPEAKER_01 43:06

Look at this. I need you to look at the long time. Can you look at the little light here for a moment?

SPEAKER_02 43:13

I am physically closing my eyes right now. I'm holding up a stick of chapstick. At least that's what it looks like. You just untwist the lid and boop. We need to go look at stars. We need to go look at the stars again. It's getting warmer at night. It is.

SPEAKER_03 43:35

And we're it's so weird we're going to bed like before 2 a.m. I know. Which is the time when you need to go out and look at UFOs. Yeah. Okay. Let's go.

SPEAKER_02 43:44

So one of these one of these nights when we don't have to wake up early.

SPEAKER_03 43:47

Oh. Saturday. Sure. Okay. But the moon is almost full, so it's not gonna be good. Yeah. Okay. Two weeks from now.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

On Saturday. We're gonna go. Look for UFOs, but not. That's not what we're looking at.

SPEAKER_03 44:03

That's not definitely not. We're just gonna go look at the stars because they're pretty. Yeah. And they move on their own sometimes in weird random patterns that aren't airplane patterns. Yep. And they disappear and then they come back. And then they come back, and then just the same pattern. Yep. It's great. Over and over again. Over and over for multiple hours. Yeah. Yeah. We have sat out in the cold staring out the ceiling of the Jeep because I flipped the top back and watching things move in weird random patterns.

SPEAKER_02 44:39

We weren't, to be fair, we weren't out there for hours. But one night we were.

SPEAKER_03 44:43

When we drove out to the end of town. An hour. When we went out there after pies. I know it took it. For a long time. But we had the roof up at that time and the heat crank because it was like 3 a.m. and freezing cold. Anyway, I'm done talking about UFOs because I have been told by the man over there in the corner to zip it. Oh shoot. Don't turn around. Okay. It's fine. Okay, he's gone.

SPEAKER_02 45:09

Just like that, huh? He just walked out.

SPEAKER_03 45:12

I didn't think they had uh powers of teleportation. Apparently they did. He was there and now he's not.

SPEAKER_02 45:18

What you guys talking about? So okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 45:23

As far as you can remember. Okay. Okay. Well, now you're talking like the silence. What oh. I'm sorry. Did I forget to mention that the they also the men in black also inspired the I imagine they did Doctor Who villain The Silence? The silence.

SPEAKER_02 45:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:42

I almost tagged in a huge three more pages about them. Oh goodness. But then I thought, you know what? They could be their own little uh topic someday. About the silence? Because there's the silence, S-I-L-E-N-C, and there are the silence. What? They are a breakoff. I learned. Girl, let me tell you. I didn't know this. I read two more solid websites full of stuff just about them. So don't even get me started on that ring. All right. I figured we just didn't have time to do a Doctor Who dive.

SPEAKER_02 46:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:19

Because that's a deep one. That's a deep dive. But yes, the the silence of Doctor Who were inspired by the Men in Black. Yeah. And may possibly just be the Men in Black. Okay. Yeah. Because Doctor Who is that people remember them. Shh. Doctor Who is a documentary. Because they went back in time and programmed us subconsciously that when you see them, end them. They did that.

SPEAKER_00 46:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:46

Yep. That's why we remember them now. We didn't before. Okay. Anyway, carry on. I am like dead serious over here. I'm like, girl, I got this.

SPEAKER_04 46:57

Let me tell you.

SPEAKER_03 46:58

I know how it all works now, but I can't talk about it. Oh, because he's back in the corner over there. No. Tell me your topic. Let's get off of this. Because I can go down the conspiracy theorist web uh rabbit hole and like it's crazy. It's wild down there. Let me tell you. Yeah. Conspiracy theorists are some crazy.

SPEAKER_02 47:18

There is another podcast. Great, great. That I haven't actually listened to them in a long time, but it's called It Gets Weirder. And they talk about all the off-the-wall conspiracy theories and like and like make fun of them. So it's excellent. I just found a new podcast. It gets weirder. Go there and listen to that. I'm not even sure if they're still running. This was years ago when I first discovered it.

SPEAKER_03 47:39

I'm sure they're still out there somewhere. I'm gonna find them. Yeah. I love talking about the crackpots. They're so fun. It is great. It's great. Uh anyway.

SPEAKER_02 47:49

So okay. Last week. Last week. Nope. Last week. Two weeks ago. Episode. Yes. When I drew my card. Yes. Do you remember that I was like, I looked at it and I was super confused? Yes. And then I said, well, the first word is a long one and I don't know what it means. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The second word I do know, but I have no idea. It did not help put the first word into context.

SPEAKER_03 48:14

Okay. And I did not look at the podcast list topic list. So because I I think I could have figured it out, but I didn't look.

SPEAKER_02 48:21

Yeah. Okay. So the second word is Anubis.

SPEAKER_03 48:28

Anubis.

SPEAKER_02 48:29

So what comes to your mind when you think about the word Anubis?

SPEAKER_03 48:33

The god of uh judgment and death is Jackalheaded Egyptian god of death.

SPEAKER_02 48:37

Uh you think about ancient Egypt, Book of the Dead, Emotep, Brendan Fraser, all of those things.

SPEAKER_01 48:43

And it looks like you're on the wrong side of the river. Hey, Benny. Looks like I got all the horses. No, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 48:51

I did it again.

SPEAKER_03 48:53

Oh my gosh. Anyway. Yep. Yes, that's what I think about. It's just a book.

SPEAKER_02 49:00

No. Oh, okay. The first word that threw me off. Okay. Philmycetus.

SPEAKER_03 49:07

Phyomycetus. Phyomycetis anubis. Phomycetis Anubis. I put this on the list. Yeah, you did. And I have no idea why. So like I looked it up. But I was like, that name is in my head and I'm going, oh, I know that. But I then it's a blank after that.

SPEAKER_02 49:24

Yeah. I looked it up and I have the full scientific classification. Are you ready for this? Yes. Kingdom. Animalia. Phylum. Cordata. Class. Mammalia. Order. Ardiodactyla. Infraorder. Cetacea. Family. Protocetidae. Genus Phiomycetis. Species P. anubis. Do you know what I'm talking about yet? Probably not.

SPEAKER_03 49:49

I knew some of those words. Mammalia. Mammalia means it's a mammal. Mammal. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 49:56

Uh this is a big thing.

SPEAKER_03 49:56

I feel like I should know Cordata. I feel like I should know that word.

SPEAKER_02 50:00

Cordata is the phylum, which is like, so kingdom animalia, that's animals. Cordata narrows it down a little bit more. Mammalia narrows it down a little bit more. And so forth. Yes. It is a creature. It was a creature.

SPEAKER_03 50:17

Was a creature. 43 million years ago. 43 million years ago.

SPEAKER_02 50:21

Yeah. Phyomycetus Anubis was a semi-aquatic whale. It's a whale with legs. Whale with legs? Yeah. That's terrifying. I know.

SPEAKER_03 50:34

But I'm all here. Not the f it's not the first. Why did I get this on the I do remember putting this on there? I must have heard it somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 50:42

I've you put things on the list and I have no idea what they are. So like you're just like, I'm just doing that.

SPEAKER_03 50:47

So Yeah, okay. Cool. I'm I'm so excited now. Okay, tell me about it. 43 million years ago.

SPEAKER_02 50:54

43 million years ago, Phyomycetis Anubis. So this was not the first semi-aquatic whale that was discovered. There have been others um in that family, Protocetidae.

SPEAKER_03 51:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 51:11

Those are all I think Protocetidae is semi-aquatic whales, pretty much. Oh, okay. Because it's part of the little mammal family.

unknown 51:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 51:23

Yeah. So there are no semi-aquatic whales now. No. Okay, I'm just double checking. Yeah. I not that I know of. I don't know. That would be. If they're hiding with the Bigfoot. Yeah. They do tea with Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_02 51:37

I need you to art an image of Bigfoot walking his little semi-aquatic whale. But wait, they're whales. They're huge. This whale is actually pretty small. Let me get to it. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 51:48

Okay. I will do that.

SPEAKER_02 51:52

So yeah, paleontologists discovered the fossils of, and I'm just going to say Anubis.

SPEAKER_00 51:56

Okay. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 51:57

In 2008 during an expedition in Egypt's Fayum Depression in the western desert of Egypt. This area is famous for sea life fossils, including those of sea cows and whales, dating to the Eocene epoch, 56 million to 33.9 million years ago.

SPEAKER_03 52:15

That's so cool to me. I want to be an archaeologist. Do they teach that at our school? Paleontologist. I want to do all of that. Yeah. Paleontologist.

SPEAKER_02 52:25

The expedition I want to go dig up bones.

SPEAKER_03 52:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:29

I mean, that's paleontology.

SPEAKER_03 52:30

Okay, that's what I want to do. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 52:33

Also, anthropology if you're digging up human bones, but yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 52:39

Yeah. Okay. Excuse me, I have to go to college. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 52:43

The expedition was led by a vertebrae paleontologist, vertebrate paleontologist, named Mohammed Same Antar, working with the Egyptian Environmental Affairs Agency. And a neat little thing about that is the discovery of Anubis makes this the first time that an Arab team has discovered, scientifically described, and named a new species of fossil whale. Dude, that's cool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:08

I love that.

SPEAKER_02 53:09

So they found the partial skeleton of a single individual that includes the cranium, the right mandible, an incomplete left mandible, several teeth, fifth cervical vertebrae, sixth thoracic vertebrae, the sixth left rib, and an isolated right rib. It is the earliest or most primitive whale in Africa from a group of semi-aquatic whales known as the proto, protocetids.

SPEAKER_01 53:45

Cetids, I think. So I like those.

SPEAKER_02 53:47

That sounds more Latin, and that's yeah. So, like I said, it's not actually the first whale species that was semi-aquatic, but it's still pretty cool and it has distinct features. Okay. Um, the Anubis whale had large fore and hind limbs, as well as long neural spines on its thoracic vertebrae that indicate that it could support its body weight on land. It was estimated to be about 10 feet long and weigh 1,300 pounds. So, like small for a whale, I looked it up to get a size comparison, and it's slightly larger than a dolphin and slightly smaller than a beluga whale.

SPEAKER_03 54:24

Okay. Yeah. So Bigfoot wouldn't really walk it on on land. It would he could ride it maybe. Yeah, 10 10 feet long.

SPEAKER_02 54:34

This particular specimen was 10 feet long.

SPEAKER_03 54:36

Okay. Okay. They I'm just gonna draw them having tea together.

SPEAKER_02 54:41

Yeah. Okay. Um, features of the skull and mandible suggest that uh Anubis had large temporal muscles in the jaw, so like the muscles up near near the temples. They that um combined with the study they did of the tooth wear patterns, they found that the Anubis likely had a strong raptorial feeding style. They fed on large fish, turtles, and potentially uh other whales or whale calves um akin to modern day seal-eating killer whales. And I was pretty sure what that I knew what was meant by a raptorial feeding style. But just to be safe, I looked it up and I was right. So think of like raptor birds. Yeah, they birds of prey. They swoop down, they catch their prey while it's in motion. And that's what that means, which is terrifying to think about a whale doing. Terrifying. And they can do this in the water and on land.

SPEAKER_03 55:48

That's terrifying. Yeah. But also, I want one.

SPEAKER_02 55:52

Yeah, it's okay, it's cool. And like all the there's like one artist's rendering of it that I saw on several websites that is like it's swimming and like like bearing down on some prey. Yeah. And it looks pretty cool. Oh, that's cool. So, and that because of the rapper raptor feeding style and just the shape of the skull, um, it's partially why scientists gave Anubis that name. The author of the study that was published about the discovery, Abdullah Gohar, uh, he was a graduate student of vertebrate paleonthology, paleontology at Mansur University in Egypt. He said it was a successful active predator. I think it was the god of death for most animals that lived alongside it.

SPEAKER_03 56:42

Yeah, it definitely sounds like it. I love I love tying that into the the culture and and history of the world of of their culture. I yeah. Yeah. I said the history region, thank you. The history and culture of their world. Because it's yeah, region. Oh my gosh. It's fine.

SPEAKER_02 57:05

Another reason they gave it that name was the distinct shape of the skull. It does bear a resemblance to the skull of the jackal-headed Anubis.

SPEAKER_03 57:14

I want one.

SPEAKER_02 57:15

It's got like this elongated snout. I have to Google what he looks like.

SPEAKER_03 57:20

Will it will, if I just type in P. Anubis, will it show up? Probably, yeah. Because I don't want to try to spell that first part of that.

SPEAKER_02 57:28

Yeah. So um Abdullah Gohar, the guy who wrote the paper, he also said, Oh, he's so terrifying, but I do he looks like a big puppy.

SPEAKER_03 57:38

A sea puppy. Okay, I'm sorry. Yeah. What el what else did he say? I'm sorry. He does look like a sea puppy. Yeah. I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_02 57:47

He also said the Anubis whale had long third incisors next to its canines, which suggests that incisors and canines were used to catch, debilitate, and retain faster and more elusive prey. So again, with that raptor feeding style, they just uh big muscles on its head would have given it a powerful bite force, allowing it to capture large prey through snapping and biting. And another quote from Gohar says, We discovered how its fierce, deadly, and powerful jaws were capable of tearing a wide range of prey.

SPEAKER_03 58:24

That's crazy. Also, I just found a picture of the skull, and it's terrifyingly huge and wonderful, and I love it.

SPEAKER_02 58:32

Yeah, yeah. You can find pictures of like the entire uh what they have of the skeleton, the bones.

SPEAKER_03 58:41

Yeah, if you just kind of laid out if you see Anubis whale, it will pop up. It's it's beautiful and terrifying. Yeah, it's really cool. I love it.

SPEAKER_02 58:50

I just have one more little thing neat thing about this whale. I told you it was a small topic.

SPEAKER_01 58:56

I know.

SPEAKER_02 58:56

Wow. Um the ribs that they discovered have bite marks that suggest it was once bitten pretty badly by sharks.

SPEAKER_04 59:04

Ooh.

SPEAKER_02 59:05

But the marks indicate that the sharks were small and likely not large enough to kill the whale. So they think the sharks were probably scavenging the carcass after its death.

SPEAKER_03 59:14

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 59:15

Yeah, so even like this thing was like a top predator.

SPEAKER_03 59:20

Yeah. But I mean, we're all carrying in the end. Yeah. That is wild. Also, I the pictures, the artist renditions of these, I they are like little vicious sea puppies, and I want one. Yeah. They're they have to stop drawing them. They have these cute little legs and they're swimming, and I'm just like, look how cute he is a little puppy. Yeah. And then you look at the skull and you're like, wow, those teeth could, yeah. So not cute, but also still very cute.

SPEAKER_01 59:49

Yeah. So we have only been recording for an hour. Oh my goodness, this is a short little episode.

SPEAKER_02 59:57

I thought about talking about the thing that we discovered about Mary Poppins. Oh. That quick little thing. I think I might talk about that. I think it's really cool. I don't have it in my notes, so I'm gonna have to just dig up the Wikipedia page. But we've been binging a lot of old classics lately. Yeah, so we re recently re-watched Mary Poppins. Um, and I love it, it's awesome. But like, like we mentioned earlier, we've been watching the Muppet Show, and there was a song that they did that was very similar in style to Super California Expialodocius, and Fozzie was wearing a uh a costume that looked like the the band, like the the musicians in that song.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:48

Like with the blue suits and the white just dots all over. Yeah. And so I was like, the the costumes are similar and this song is a similar style, meaning it was like it was kind of a tongue-twister chorus and like the um the verse. Kind of a call and repeat type not repeat, but call and respond type thing. Sort of. Um, but yeah, kind of like a tongue-twister chorus where everybody joins in, yeah, is what it is. And the verses were like telling little little stories and things, little anecdotes or whatever. And then it yeah, anyway. So I was like, I wonder if there's like cultural significance to that, anything historically significant about it. So I looked it up.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:33

And I was like, I when growing up as a kid and watching Mary and Poppets, I always thought that little band was like a group of gypsies or traveling people, troubadours, yeah. And I was like, oh, that's why they have these like kind of wild costumes looking. And I'm like, it's you know, that's what I thought. So that was my explanation for it.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:52

But then Yeah, I looked it up and I found a Reddit thread, and I'm not sure how legit this is, if it was actually intentional on the animators of Mary Poppins to make these people look like this, but there is there were, or no, there are this organization is still in existence. They're called the Pearly Kings and Queens.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:17

And it's Pearly P-E-A-R-L-Y, like Pearl.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:21

Also called the Pearlies. They um they're an organized charitable uh organ like organization of working class people in London, and it started with a man named Henry Croft. Uh he sort of, well, he was the one that made it popular. It didn't actually start with him, but there there was this practice of wearing clothes decorated with mother of pearl buttons. Um, and he's kind of the one that it's most associated with. He was an orphan street sweeper who collected money for charity. And at the time, London uh like street traders, they're called Costermongers. They were in the habit of wearing trousers decorated at the seams with pearl buttons that had been found by market traders. In the late 1870s, Henry Croft adapted this to create a sequence suit to draw attention to himself and aid his fundraising activities. Um, in 1911, an organized pearly society was formed in North London, in Finchley. So it kind of was a thing that caught on as a way to draw attention to yourself.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:37

It's kind of like the bell ringers. Yeah, for the purpose of raising money for charity. Yeah, I think that's so cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:43

So, and because of that, um well, one more thing about Henry Croft, in his funeral in January of 1930, it was attended by 400 followers and received national media coverage. In 1934, a memorial referring to Croft as the original pearly king was unveiled in uh the cemetery in the town that he was born in. And in a speech to mark the occasion, he was said to have raised 5,000 francs, euros pounds was the little London. Oh, right, yeah. For those, yeah, he he raised 5,000 pounds um for the London hospitals, which I think was really cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:27

That is really cool. So today, oh wow, that's almost half a million pounds. That's 464,499 pounds today. Wow, that's crazy. That's an insane amount of money.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:41

So, like the trend caught on, and the pearlies are now divided into several active groups. There's Croft's founding organization that's called the original London Pearlie Kings and Queens Association. Uh, there was that, but it was it went through a reformation in 1975 and holds the majority of the original pearly titles um all over London.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:08

Other groups have also been established over the years. The oldest is the Pearlie Guild, which began in 1902. Um, modern editions include the London Pearlie Kings and Queens Society, which started in 2001, and the Pearlie Kings and Queens Guild. Um, there are like rivals between them, but despite that, each group is associated with a church in central London and is committed to raising money for London-based charities. And there was also a parade of real life pearly kings and queens featured in the 2012 Summer Olympics opening ceremony.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:48

That is so cool. Yeah. It's like a thing. I had no idea.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:54

And all of our all of our people in uh in the Great Britain are like uh Well duh. Yeah, we know about the pearlies. Yeah, we know about the pearlies. Um, but I j I love I love learning new things, which is why we have this podcast.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:08

I wonder if that was like an origin like what the Mary Poppins animators were going for. Were those pearlies or were they just just you know mothers?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:20

Yeah, this is just a fun costume we saw somewhere. Yeah. And I'm trying to like I want to go back now and kind of watch that bit again because it started with um Bert, the chimney sweep, but he was doing art on the pavement for money. He had his little uh coin hat out there and he was doing that, and then he went, they went in there. And I was like, were they taking up were they raising money like at the because they were at the kind of a fair horse show thing? I'm like did I miss like were they that little group doing that for money there? Like that would I want to go back and watch that scene again. Yeah, but that is really cool, and uh thanks to the Muppets, we we learned a thing. Yeah, I love the Muppets.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:08

Yeah, so you know, Fozzie dressed as a pearly and it's fabulous. Yeah, that was cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:14

That is so cool. This is like a a bonus, little bonus stuff on this episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:20

Because it's a short episode. It's a short episode, yeah. I um maybe I could have put all my Doctor Who Silence stuff in there about the men in black, but yeah, we'd I would still be talking a lot. And I'm done talking, even though like half of my stuff was laughing, but it's that's fine. I know the world needs more laughter, I think.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:40

Yeah, laugh with us.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:42

Laugh with us or at us. That's fine. Don't laugh at me. I I have anxiety. I can take it. You can laugh at me. You can laugh near me.

unknown 1:07:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:53

Uh no. I I this was fun. I like this episode. Um, that is really cool about the uh the pianobis whale. I'm in love with him.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:03

Thyomycetis Anubis.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:08

Pia nubis is much easier to feed. Yeah, yeah, it is. I love him, and the artists need to stop making him look like a cute sea puppy.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:19

I want to see I want to see him on land.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:23

Okay. I'm gonna do that. Will be what I do in my art live this week. Okay. I say that. Tea time with Bigfoot. It's not ever what I end up doing when I say something, but we'll see what happens. Yeah. I I yeah, I'm tea with Bigfoot and the P Anubis. We need to draw cards.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:43

Oh shoot. Yeah, you don't even have a mouth. Also, like I forgot to think of a war member beforehand, so I'm gonna have to think about that. Cards first, though. Okay, cards first.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:00

Did you want to tell people where to find a for the card? Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:03

I guess I could just not have silence on the podcast while the cards are coming out. Uh, if you would like to support our show, both shows actually, uh, you can go to patreon.com slash JessinHids and become a paid Patreon member. We would absolutely love it to be forever. Yeah, we would love to welcome you into our community. Uh, you can also join our Discord server for the link to that. You can head to our website, jessinhids.com, or again, you can find that on Patreon, patreon.com slash JessinHids. If you scroll down and look for the latest schedule posts, they're never that far down the feed and they're always public. So you can definitely find us. The Discord link is there. Join our Discord. That is free. You don't have to be a paid Patreon member, but we do have channels that are reserved for paid patrons. So you're kind of missing out if you don't become a paid Patreon member.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:00

Because I'm going to be posting some uh questions in my secret patron channel so I can uh get some little fun things for Fizz to find in our future episodes of our other podcast, A Tale of Two Kobolds. Oh, okay. Patrons get to help us write this story.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:22

So Yeah. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:25

I haven't even set up my secret channel for bang. I should probably do that. You should probably do that. You already drew your card and we didn't get to hear your reaction. So what do you think about your card? Geez.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:36

I'll put it back and draw another one. Sorry. No, I like mine. Mine is uh one of our recurring cards.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:42

Oh, okay. I mean you didn't have to tell me that because now I can guess.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:46

No. Okay. I mean, we have multiple recurring cards. But you can get what's yours. I'm not gonna tell you.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:59

You were about to, weren't you?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:00

No, I wasn't. Come on, come on, you were. There was a moment of. When have I ever slipped up and accidentally good at things?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:08

I know. It makes me sick.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:14

You gotta have a poker face like me. Whoa, three aces.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:21

Name that movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:22

Um, I was about to ask you what it was because Bill and Ted. Oh man. So we watched that like last year, and but prior to that I had not watched that in years and years. So we should watch it again. Yeah, I can I can quote it. You think? Can you can you quote it? All of it. All of it? Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:42

Oh man.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:43

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:43

We are the slap happy. Um good. Do you have a warm ember? Have you thought of one yet?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:49

I'm looking at these Cheez-Its, and now all I can think about is Cheez-Its. I mean, Cheez-Its are a good warm ember.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:54

Cheez-Its are a good warm ember. I'm uh weirdly gonna talk about my tea. Oh, okay. It's um from the old barrel tea company, and it's coconut black, and it's really, really good. And I'm quite happy. It's making me happy to have this tea right now. So that is my immediate warm member.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:14

A literal war ember and a cheesy war member. I know. It's wonderful. It's cheesy just like us. Yeah. But also like you guys are our war members too.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:24

Always.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:25

Oh, I do have another warm ember.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:28

Tale of two kobolds hit 250 downloads.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:31

Oh my gosh, yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:32

With the first episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:34

Well, and the trailer, but yes, 250 downloads. Only one episode is that super quick. Yeah. And we love you all.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:41

And the newest episode gets released on the first, which is the day after this episode gets released.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:46

So tomorrow.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:48

When you're listening to this, on Thursday, April 30th. Tomorrow, you need to listen to a Tale of Duke Cobold. Tomorrow on no. Tomorrow on May 1st. Yeah. I could I almost said March, but that would be wrong. On May 1st.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:06

So thank you. Shout out to everybody who listens to our podcast. This podcast. Just the Hits Make a Podcast. We love you guys. We love you guys so much. Subscribe, rate, smash.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:17

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SPEAKER_03 1:13:25

If that's where you prefer to listen to things, you can listen to us there. That's what we do. Yep. One day we might have a video, but probably not.

unknown 1:13:32

Maybe.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:33

Yeah, that would involve like rook filming us.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:36

I know.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:37

I don't know about that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:40

I don't know about that. Uh maybe someday. Maybe when I dye my hair another color. Yeah. It's been purple for a few years now.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:50

Okay, let's wrap it up. Okay. Yeah. Um thanks.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:55

Thanks. Okay. We'll talk to you next time.